From Bugzilla Helper: User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) BuildID: 20011019 The scrolling text on the above site fails to display and scroll utilizing Netscape 6.1-6.2. This is because it contains javascript that references a DIV element by id tag directly. For a more base case example, see http://www.geocities.com/debugweyers/news.html. Instead of utilizing document.getElementById("news") (which works on both IE and NS), I simply try to access the div element directly ("news.style.letterSpacing"). Attempts to reference an element by id without a call to getElementById fail. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1.go to http://www.trefsgar.com in Navigator Actual Results: Page loads, but there is a blank spot in the table. Expected Results: There should be javascript-driven scrolling text in the blank spot of the table. It appears that IE exposes ids of elements to the namespace of javascript. Adam Locke and I poked around and could not find any clear spec as to whether or not this violates standards (hopefully, some DOM expert will materialize with an instant answer). Obviously, if the only way to retrieve an element is using the getElement methods, then this bug needs to be evangelized to the site.

Over to evangelism, polluting the global namespace with element id's is a IE:ism that won't be supported in mozilla.

yes, all element references need to be obtained from the DOM via getElementById or other means.

*** Bug 110281 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Alex, why are you putting edt and topembed keywords on this bug? This is an evangelism bug and as such, those keywords have no meaning. If you wish to drive changes in the browser, then file a bug against the DOM and lobby to have it included in the edt/topembed process. Removing edt0.9.4, topembed keywords

The issue is the from our embedding customer point of view it has high priority (it is tracked as such). How do we mark high priority evangelism bugs?

Sorry about that. I was copying over the keywords from Bug 110281 (which was closed and marked a duplicate of this one). As duplicate bugs, I figured they should share the same priority (and they do in fact bear a high priority from the standpoint of an embedding customer).

If it is indeed solely an evangelism issue then priority p1 and severity will get it on my radar. Per your comments I will bump the priority / severity for this bug. I will contact the site as soon as I can. When I do I will mark the bug assigned to me and set the target milestone for a follow testing date to see if they have fixed their site. See http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/ for more details on bugzilla/mozilla evangelism and you can of course contact me directly. If you really intend to drive product changes then you need to file product bugs since that will get the engineer's attention. FWIW, there will be great (and justifiable) opposition to reproducing IE's behavior of exposing all Elements with ID attributes as global objects.

Also, if you need to query on these bugs we can agree on something you can add to the Status whiteboard. Then you can query on that to locate your high priority evangelism issues. However when you use product related keywords in evangelism bugs, it messes up the planning/queries that the product team uses to track the product issues they need to fix. Therefore product related keywords are not appropriate in evangelism bugs. I hope this clarifies things.

Can we just use bugscape 10967 rather than the entire url in the status whiteboard? It is not not clickable and really horks the display in a buglist and is not even completely visible when looking that the entire bug. Or even just bugscape with the link pasted into the comments. How do you want to use this info? in queries or to get the actual link?

See http://bugscape.netscape.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10967 contact info: info@trefsgar.com Error: news is not defined Source File: http://www.trefsgar.com/ Line: 72 Dreamweaver 3.0 code function MM_findObj(n, d) { //v3.0 <!-- Original: news scroller v2.0 rev 2 30mar00 --> <!-- Original: Dion (biab@iinet.net.au) --> <!-- Web Site: http://www.iinet.net.au/~biab --> Contacted.

I was just following someone elses pattern; the shorter version is fine.

Adding keywords topembed and edt0.9.4, based on bugscape bug 10967

how many times to I have to explain that product related keywords have no meaning for evangelism bugs? removing keywords: edt0.9.4, topembed

Sorry Bob, I had blanket instructions... so just following orders. My apolgoies on the confusion.

contacted again

This bug is a violation of the W3C specification for the id attribute as found in section 7.5.2 of specification 4.01 specifically: (note stars) The id attribute has several roles in HTML: As a style sheet selector. As a target anchor for hypertext links. As a means to reference a particular element from a script. ***** As the name of a declared OBJECT element. For general purpose processing by user agents (e.g. for identifying fields when extracting data from HTML pages into a database, translating HTML documents into other formats, etc.). Please stop attempting to avoid correcting it via evangelism and fix it. Thank You.

The HTML 4.01 recommendation does not specify how a script should access an element by id value. The DOM Core Level 2 recommendation does however. The use of the id attribute as a global variable to access an element with that id attribute is not a standard. document.getElementById('idvalue') is the standard way to access an element by id value. Please get a clue before you quote standards. Thank you.

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as i say i am extremely naive in this sphere but possess an intuitive intelligence (I was informed by a competitive mentor at university,the only one I've had;and a place i had no ambition to go to - my family 'forced" me to take a "mature student entry exam",an experiment of Margaret Thatcher to project an egalitarian image.He,the mentor urged me to take philosophy & literature jointly,as it would be easiest option as regards requisite study for one so disinclined.he would read German philosophers untranslated,& at !st tutorial I'd experienced (on an extremely complex & to me bizarre and largely incomprehensible poem by Louis MacNeice, 'Brother Fire')i was so amazed at his interpretation & erudition that i very eagerly enquired,"Are you English Man?"Looking haughtily insulted,he said "Me:I'm fae the Gorbals"Caught @ the act i believe!For a mentor he was more than somewhat "parasitic".debating philosophy(which I hadn't read ,just got from him;& he'd often get very angry!He also remarked earnestly,but with a smirk,that i was the most " honest" guy he'd ever met.In the end I graduated with the same level of degree as he,which was unfair.He should have got a 1st but no one did that year.I developed a,not for 1moment anticipated mental illness.Sincerity was my downfall.Don't have a clue how I got started on this or what is it's relevance!My apologies to cyberspace from cogitative dimension.How the hell is Magnus known:it's my middle name & I can''t recall using it.Scusi ,if this is pointless drivel.Mentor got very upset when i argued vehemently for the inclusion of philosophical validity.for"coincidence"as a significantly meaningful phenomenon.

All test case URL provided in this bug are no more valid. Mark as INVALID.

That would be FIXED by death of site.