Hi, there are several other bugs filed about this matter but this might be a special case: goto: http://www.blackbomb.de and click on on of the images; it will open a new window which would perfectly fit the screen if there wouldnt be a horizontal scrollbar which shouldnt be there. The special case is that this page contains a moving background in a CSS layer which is indeed bigger than the screen. This doesnt work in both the M15 Milestone as well as the 06-04-00 Daily.

Sorry for the spam. New QA Contact for Browser General. Thanks for your help Joseph (good luck with the new job) and welcome aboard Doron Rosenberg

Well, initially I saw two issues here - one, when I tried to scroll to the right in the page that popped up, I got the worst possible kind of crash (I've never even encountered this before) - an actual vc++ runtime error regarding a pure virtual function call [vc++ runtime errors are worse than typical gpf's]. I also did see that the page had a scrollbar and was way too wide. However, just as I was about to confirm this, I checked out the source and noticed that the entire document is based around and littered with layers. We no longer support layers, and I'm not even going to try dissecting this to see if it's a layer problem or not. I'm going to mark this as invalid...reporter, if you're able to make a testcase of this that still displays the same buggy behavior but doesn't use any layers, feel free to comment here and I'll reopen.

Uhmm, please define Layer: do you mean <layer ....></layer> Probably not, cuz there are none. If you are talking about <div style="position:abolute; ...> and you are not supporting that, than you are gonna be in big trouble because the most popular, and probably best WYSIWYG Editor "Macromedia Dreamweaver" in its Version 2.0 (I dont know about 3.0) is generating exactly that code. All crucial parts of the page are generated, only one rather unimportant JavaScript function "handmade". If you talk about the method of accessing the layer through document.layer using a test based on whether we have a navigator version greater or equal to 2 than you're probably right and the JavaScript code is buggy. Anyway, my browser never crashed and I think tha if I tell a window that its not supposed to have a scrollbar than it simply shouldnt have one, even if it contains buggy JavaScript.

I was referring to the overabundant use of document.layer and other such dom methods throughout the document. I'd give you more specific examples, however, as of now this bug remains invalid since I'm no longer able to access the URL.

Server's up again. I know how to work around the problem document.layer problem but I guess I'll just buy Dreamweaver 3 and hope that it'll make better code. I think I once read you would still support document.layer for backward compatability but that must be outdated. Sorry for taking up your time. Keep up the good work.

verified layer use.

Moving all [LAYER] bugs to Evangelism component for tracking and open-source evangelism by mozilla community members of sites that need to upgrade to support web standards such as HTML 4.0 (instead of LAYER/ILAYER) and the W3C DOM (instead of Nav4 document.layers[] or IE document.all()). Sites should be lobbied to do the upgrade using the email templates that are linked to from http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html#layerbugs . When a site's owner has confirmed receipt of the message requesting an upgrade, the bug should be marked with the keyword evangelized to indicate that evangelism for that bug is complete. When the site finishes the upgrade and supports standards, the bug should be closed.

Dawn, just thought this UNCONFIRMED/INVALID state was pretty interesting...

Reopening to register fact that this page probably isn't yet upgraded (until it is, at which point we'll close the bug). evangwanted. Clearing cc:s as a courtesy to reduce spam.

SPAM:Changing QA contact on 111 evang bugs as I am now the new QA contact for this component. Sorry about the spam zach

Reassigning Evangelism bugs to me, the component's new owner. I would like to take this opportunity to thank nobody@mozilla.org for all of his dedication, contributions, and hard work, and wish him luck at his new job. Thanks, nobody.

Mass confirming Evangelism bugs to get off the Unconfirmed radar

-> evangelism@telocity.com for my evangelism bugs. removing the now-depreciated evangelism-related keywords. setting platform to All.

Works for me.

Reassigning evangelism bugs to bclary@netscape.com.

This site uses older Dreamweaver code but does not throw any layer related errors after visiting several pages although it does throw some errors related to missing MM_ functions. The opened windows appear without scroll bars for me. Marking fixed and updating to be tracked as a Dreamweaver related site.

All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for details.

no problem left there