I did the frames test... The wording is confusing. I thought it meant there shouldn't be any scroll bars at all. But even the coding of the HTML in the page clearly indicates there may be scrollbars, and I HAVE ONE... I am attaching a screenshot to demonstrate. Notice the scrollbar on the right hand lower window.

Chris -- can you offer advice?

Reassigning frameset/iframe bugs to Eric.

Just to clarify: I found this test confusing, because the wording implies that there shouldn't be any scrollbars, even though the HTML says this is possible. Either the HTML needs revising, or the wording of the test does, but I'm not sure which. Could somebody please clarify this point once and for all?

I agree that the wording isn't altogether clear. The left frame has scrolling set to 'auto' which means "There should be a scrollbar if the page area is larger than the viewable frame area.". There isn't a scrollbar simply because NORESIZE is also set, and the frame can't be set to a size smaller than the page area. In the right frameset, the top frame has both NORESIZE and SCROLLING=no which means that there should never be a scrollbar, and it should not be resizable. In the right frameset, the bottom frame has SCROLLING=auto, again meaning "There should be a scrollbar if not all the content can be shown" In this case, the page is so long that not all of the content can be shown and a vertical scrollbar is needed. On my Linux machine, it is also wide enough to show a horizontal scrollbar. This page is displayed correctly on both your sample image, and my machine. The presence of scrollbars in this frame, and the left frame, are dependent on the size of the font that a particular machine uses and may vary from platform to platform and even from machine to machine on the same platform. Jan, can you update the text of this acceptance test to be more explicit about which scrollbars might be there? If you do want scrollbars to appear as needed, so people with big fonts like zuperdee and me can read the whole page, it's okay to leave scrolling="auto", but it might be good to mention that scrollbars may appear in the text of the page. Thanks!

beppe, can you help us out here please.

the wording was clear to me when I wrote it :) -- I will change the wording to this: This window should be divided into two vertical frames. There should be a frame border between the two vertical frames, but there should not be a scroll bar. The right vertical frame should have two horizontal frames. The upper frame, named "frm-bhd," should be of a fixed height, with no scroll bars. The bottom frame, named "frm-bdy-bdy," may be resized and scroll bars will be available if the frame size does not display all of the frame text. Hope this helps

Thank you. I think the wording is *much* more clear now. As the original reporter, I think this could be considered fixed. I will leave it to the QA contact to make the final decision and VERIFY. I apologize if this seemed a little trivial... But since I wasn't sure whether it was the description or the test itself that was misleading, I figured I might as well point it out. Again, many thanks for clearing this up.

thank you for pointing out the confusion -- if you find other descriptions vague, please let me know.