Maibe it's just me, but I really don't like the icon that was commited to CVS (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=36432). Everywhere we hear about Mozilla we see the lizzard: on the web page, the splash screen, slashdot... Gecko is a sort of lizzard, Mozilla is a representation of a lizzard. I beleive that not using a lizzard as Mozilla's icon is a mistake. IIRC, Mosaic used the letter M as its icon and it was not particularly good looking. IE is using the letter e to give it a serious look (I guess). Netscape Nav. is using the letter N for the same reasons too (I still guess). But Mozilla isn't about looking serious, it's about geeks/freedom/thinking outside the box; putting the letter M as its icon is pretty much copying what was done in the past. IFAIK, not using the Lizzard as an icon was for legal reasons, but as Dawn Endico said at 2001-04-26 12:22 in bug 58228: --- Henri's icon looks wonderful! [...] I'd say polish this up some more and work on smaller versions and hopefully by the time that's done, the licencing issue will be resolved. --- I really go 100% with what Dawn said. IMHO, Henri's proposition (http://www.pp.htv.fi/hsivone1/moz-icon.html) is the best one received so far. So I beleive we should concentrate on tweaking Henri's proposition. After all, the Lizzard image is copyrighted Mozilla/Netscape, so it should be easier to deal with than if it was copyrighted Micro$oft... 8)

Henri Sivonen wrote in bug 58228 at 2001-09-06 03:34: ----- I used the icon with the dinosaur head for a month and I concluded that it looks bad in the context of Dock. OTOH, I've used builds with current icon for more than a month now and I think the current icon looks better in the Dock than the icon with the dinosaur head. Let's keep the current icon and forget the dinosaur head icon. Sure, icon design guides says that you shouldn't use letters in icons, but designing an icon that communicates "this is a Web browser" is really hard. IE has an 'e'. Netscape has an 'N'. opera has an 'O'. I think it is OK if Mozilla has an 'M'. (It's not like using letter is unheard of. The generic OS X app icon has an 'A'. BBEdit has a 'B'. XDarwin has an 'X'.) Mosaic is no longer in use. At least the Mac version of Mosaic 2 didn't even use 'M' as the icon. I don't think clashing with Mosaic is an issue. (BTW, I don't have a problem with Mozilla looking "serious". You do want Mozilla to be taken seriously, right? OTOH, I don't particularly like attempts of forcibly trying to look as "thinking outside the box". See also: http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/fonts2.htm) Returning to fixed since Mozilla does have a scalable icon now. ----- Could you include a screenshot of what the dino icon looks like in the Dock or instructions on how to make Mozilla use it? I've never seen the icon in the dock, so you may be right and it should not be in the dock at all... But I must say that personally, I find it hard to beleive that there is nothing to do to make this icon fit nicely in the dock. I've read your web page (that you removed?) and understand that red in a blue dock would bleed or distract the eye but it seems to me that this could be corrected. As for the 'thinking outside the box' issue, my native language is french and I've heard this expression a couple of times. I don't know how cliché it is... I was just trying to explain the feeling that I have about Mozilla that it is about geeks and not blue and gray businesses. But, as you can guess, most of my english vocabulary is technical oriented, and not felling oriented... 8) My main argument is that I've always associated Mozilla with their lizzard/dino; and that changing its icon for a blue and gray M is somewhat dull. I have the impression that most comments in bug 58228 were favorable to your icon rather than the blue M.

I think the "m" is a nice 1.0 icon. It shows that we have a scalable icon for OS X (which is a minority OS for now), but also shows that we're spending the majority of our time on more important issues (like making sure Moz doesn't crash). This will be a nice thing to revisit in the 2.0 timeframe. Most apps have fairly simple icons to get started, and they gain polish after the initial release of the software. I'm sure Moz will be the same. I hope people who are interested in this bug spend more of their time with bug 88393. Personally, I'd rather see OS X scalable document icons, than another reworked app icon. - Adam

I'm starting an effort to formalize an effort to revise the parts of Mozilla's appearance outside themes, such as the icon suite, the installer, the splash screen, and the Profile Manager dialog. I've started a web page with some initial ideas and bug links at [http://greg.tcp.com/mozilla/ui/Outside/introduction.html]. I welcome any and all comments on it.

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>Sure, icon design guides says that you shouldn't use letters in icons, but >designing an icon that communicates "this is a Web browser" is really >hard. IE has an 'e'. Netscape has an 'N'. opera has an 'O'. I think it is OK if >Mozilla has an 'M'. (It's not like using letter is unheard of. The generic OS X >app icon has an 'A'. BBEdit has a 'B'. XDarwin has an 'X'.) If all anyone used was web browsers, that would be fine. But maybe today I'm using Mozilla, Mail, Matlab, Money, Mathmatica, Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing, and Microsoft(.+)? It's not a scalable behavior. That's why icon design says don't do it. Some of our friends have jumped off the bridge. counter-example: OmniWeb uses an Earth with OMNI superimpose - it help you say "omni-web". Mozilla is much more than a web browser. You can't get Web and Mail and News and Chat and Compose and Address Book into an icon, so you shouldn't try. You just have to help the user say, "Mozilla!". RRrrrrogggggh!

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