From Bugzilla Helper: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 BuildID: 2002020406 If I sort my mail by date ascending, this means that newest mail is at the bottom of the threadpane - ie we scroll to the bottom of the threadpane to see new mail. But mozilla's default behaviour is to always set the threadpane position at the top - ie scroll position set to the top - regardless of my sorting criteria. This is irritating when re-opening mail or moving between folders since I have to scroll to the bottom to see new mail. It should position the threadpane pointer at the bottom when I go back to my Inbox folder by default instead of me having to scroll to see new mail. I think this is quite a basic feature which needs to be implemented before 1.0 to have a possibility of attracting outlook users. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. sort mail by date ascending (new mail at bottom) 2. close messenger 3. re-open messenger 4. threadpane should be scrolled to bottom of list view, not top

laurel: any word here ? i'd think this to be pretty essential for a 1.0 release. currently sorting new mail to the bottom has moz positioning scrollbar at the top when opening mail and changing between folders. frustrating !

I believe this is a duplicate, I think we have at least a few reports on this. Will try to track them down.

*** Bug 123655 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Should entering the folder scroll so the oldest just-downloaded message is at the top of the visible part of the threadpane, or should it scroll all the way to the bottom (newest message)? Most of the time these are equivalent, but if you just downloaded a lot of messages it's not.

laurel: should this be marked new then since you've marked bug 123655 as a duplicated of this one ? (Didnt know you could mark duplicates of unconfirmed bugs :)

jesse: i suppose it would be more correct to position new messages at top of threadpane since that indicates position of newest unread mail, but i think in practice people prefer it to scroll all the way to the bottom to see the very latest mail. Also remember that some people may leave messages marked unread intentionally somewhere in their folder and that'd mean the threadpane positioning there which would be irritating - pine does this.

oh something else to note is that about 1 out of every 5 times of opening the folder the threadpane is actually positioned somewhere vaguely close to the bottom near new mail. I can't find any rules for this of when it decides to do it or where exactly it positions it. So there is something in the code which is trying to achieve this, but needs to be tweaked. Unless its some side-effect of something else.

I dont know if this will be helpfull, but I´l try to describe the way Eudora handles this situation, because I quite like that way. ---- begin description ---- First of all, if no sorter is set, all new messages are appended at the end of the list in the order that they apear on the server. Sorting by Date is quite similar but it has the disadvantage that mails from people with a "slightly" wrong clock <gg> go to somewhere and are nowhere to be seen. Second, if a Mailbox is Opened when there are no new messages in it, it is scrolled to exact the same location where it was left. Third, if there are new messages in (at the bottom) then the Message View is scrolled all to the bottom, so you can see all the messages, or at least are able to see that there are many and can have an idee which are the last ones. _But_ the first new message is selected (although it might not be vissible in the message list) and viewed in the viewer. Forth, if the user has read this first new article and presses space he gets the next new message in the view pane, and the message list pane scrolls so that the now selected message is in about the middle (or slightly above it depending on how large it is) of the list view. ---- end description ---- Did I say that I really like this behaviour? :) I think its really well thought out, and gives a nice and good handling of the problem, so you can hopefully implement all or at least some of it. thx alot, Martin

The request to scroll to the end of a folder sorted by date without new messages is bug 80608.

*** Bug 130049 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Thanks Neil, marking as duplicate *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 80608 ***

marking verified as duplicate

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