User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021205 Chimera/0.6+ Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021205 Chimera/0.6+ After a new install the Advanced fonts for Cursive and Fantasy are respectively (Apple Chancery) and (Gadget) which are both missing. May be that choosing 2 other fonts that are installed by default with OS X would be better. That will not yet solve all cases, I suppose it's possible to use as an "emergency" the font one that must be present if OS X is running. And add a small explanation at the bottom to tell what's going on. Eg: "If a font is missing, current_system_font_name will be used." Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce:

It's strange, but both of those fonts are installed in the Classic environment. They're no longer available to folks like us who have abandoned OS 9. I hope this was an oversight on Apple's part, as some of those fonts are pretty good. It's a pity to have to install Classic just to obtain those fonts. FWIW, I think the font defaults for regions other than Western need a serious fixing too. This stuff should work properly out of the box, but so far, I haven't found a single browser that doesn't need reconfiguration. I guess some folks just don't care about multi-region support. Mark

What should the defaults be? I have classic installed so I don't know what fonts you guys are missing. Also please Mark please suggest defaults for non-Western fonts if you think it needs improving...

Used in IE-french.

Proposed defaults and a list of fonts included in a full installation of OS X 10.2 US.

Regarding my previous comment, comment 1, does anyone have a handle on someone inside Apple that can verify whether or not they're purposely killing the likes of Apple Chancery and Gadget? I believe even the system-supplied IE is initially configured to use these; I hope that their being missing in OS X is an oversight. There are fonts that can be used as substitutes but none are as appropriate. Regarding comment 2, my suggestions for defaults and a list of the filenames in /System/Library/Fonts and /Library/Fonts are included as attachment 108609 [details]. Regarding comment 3, Stéphane, if you're using a clean 10.2 French and those are the names of the fonts on your system, then this is going to become a larger problem. In a clean install of 10.2 US, the CE fonts are gone (merged into the Unicode variants) and the names like Latinskij have long since been changed to *-CY. If the font names aren't consistent across locales, then Apple has created a problem that shouldn't exist. Mark

Mark comment 5: I have the same fonts in /System/Library/Fonts/ and /Library/Fonts/ than yours on a new installation of OS X 10.2, including all updates available. During the installation I choose Personalize to Add additional fonts for traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese and support for French, Nederlands and Chinese languages. It seems there is also 12 Lucida*.ttf font in /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.3.1/Home/lib/fonts/ Do a Finder Cmd-F(ind) .ttf on all disks. That's all I got.

FYI: http://sourceforge.net/projects/monafont/ Mona Font is a Japanese proportional font which allows you to view Japanese text arts correctly.

*** Bug 221720 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

taking. can someone provide a patch that correctly sets the defaults for all localizations?

no patch, won't make it for 0.8

Note that this will need to be fixed here: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/sou​rce/modules/libpref/src/init/all.j​s#1140 It is for all Mac products, not just Camino. However, please don't reassign this bug away from Camino since we are more likely to do something about it than any othe product, and it is nice to have it on our 0.9 radar.

Suggestion for Arabic defaults (Camino currently sets these to old OS 9 fonts that don't resolve correctly even if present) These "Western" font categories don't fit very well with a script language, so I'm presenting "best guesses" based on available default OS X fonts, Safari's default for the given category where discernable, etc. Serif: Geeza Pro (Safari default, Apple's premier Arabic font AFAIK) Monospace: Baghdad (Safari default) Sans Serif: Al Bayan Cursive: DecoType Naskh Fantasy: KufiStandardGK I willingly and happily defer to any native speaker, though :)

Oops, maybe I got confused (localizations vs locales vs encodings?) and posted in the wrong bug--or is this a duplicate of bug 159809 (or vice versa)? Apologies for working in Bugzilla while very tired :(

Comment on attachment 163729 [details] [diff] [review] solve immediate problems v1.0 r=pink.

landed

I see the patch has fixed the Western and Unicode "fantasy" fonts to be Lucida Grande. Apple uses Papyrus in Safari, which looks a little more "fantastic" than plain old Lucida Grande :-) Papyrus also appears in the list of fonts on a default 10.2 (attachment 108609 [details]), so it might be a better option if this gets looked at again? The other locales/regions are not likely to get fixed on this bug since it's now been marked "resolved fixed," correct, so I should add any future comments about Arabic defaults, etc., to bug 159809 instead?