User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021221 Phoenix/0.5 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021221 Phoenix/0.5 The practice of hiding some settings under 'advanced' is unhelpful - it just means that there are two places to look for every change. By what rule is 'animated images loop only once' "advanced", but 'always use my fonts' is not? It's not apparent to me, except by reference to where they were historically. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Decide to change a preference 2. Tools -> Preferences 3. Search linearly through preferences categories until you see the desired setting or reach the end 4. Click on 'Advanced' 5. Search linearly through preferences categories until you see the desired setting or reach the end 6. (optional) repeat from step 3 looking more closely Actual Results: I bugzillad and found that 'empty cache' is now under Privacy Expected Results: Don't know

I hadn't thought of this, but you're right... there's little if anything under Advanced that warrants the designation or where an alternate designation wouldn't be more appropriate. -->Confirming for developer review -->All OSes (enhancements, unless OS-specific, should be filed as All) -->Clarifying summary to include "preferences"

this bug is mooted by the prefs rewrite

I'd say it was fixed by the preferences reorganization, but regardless, it's not there anymore.

taking QA contact, sorry about the bugspam

verified.

Re-opening, the Advanced pane is back in Firebird :(

This bug as it stands is invalid, the Advanced panels in the old prefs dialog have nothing to do with the current Advanced prefs panel. There is also no room to add a bunch more top-level panels, so its not exactly a valid bug. Also, there is very little duplicate between the advanced categories and the top-level categories, so this bug still isn't valid. If you want to pursue this, file a current bug which spells out a valid alternative. Back to invalid.

Of course, I am aware I'm wasting my time trying to triage UI for firebird these days, but ... > the Advanced panels in the old prefs dialog have nothing to do with the current Advanced prefs panel. That's entirely irrelevant. > There is also no room to add a bunch more top-level panels Not true, I just measured with xdelimitarea, and there is room for two more panels before it gets close to 600 pixels high. Furthermore, you've entirely discounted the possibility of re-arrangements without even giving it one moment's thought. Very disappointing. > very little duplicate between the advanced categories and the top-level categories Think about it for about a second, please. "Web Features" ? "General" ? Comment 0 stands.

Its relevant to this bug, since this referred to the old style of prefs, which might have had panels for General, and Advanced->General. The Web Features and General panel names/feature division are irrelevant to this bug. like I said, if you want to file a bug about current behaviour, file a new bug, preferably with a viable alternative that doesn't involve a lot of sub-dialogs, since a "flat" prefs dialog is the goal here. Thunderbird is also using the same prefwindow layout with an Advanced button, so you're asking to redefine a UI spec that the *birds are using as a standard already.

If you want me to file a new bug with the same substantial content, fine. Seems a little strange to me, but OK. > a "flat" prefs dialog is the goal here You have not had anything like this for quite some time : Downloads->Plug-ins General->Connection settings Privacy->View Cookies Privacy->View Saved Passwords Web Features->Advanced Web Features->Permissions Web Features->Fonts & Colors > you're asking to redefine a UI spec Where is this UI spec ? I assume you mean one in somebody's head rather than an actual specification. In which case, this point seems a little disingenous, given that until a couple of weeks ago, Firebird did *not* have an Advanced panel.

For reference: bug 216931

sorry for bugspam, long-overdue mass reassign of ancient QA contact bugs, filter on "beltznerLovesGoats" to get rid of this mass change