User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5a) Gecko/20030728 Mozilla Firebird/0.6.1 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5a) Gecko/20030728 Mozilla Firebird/0.6.1 mozilla.org should host torrents for releases, since the new FTP servers don't seem to be holding up very well right now. The files could be hosted by FTP on ftp.mozilla.org and a torrent could be hosted on www.mozilla.org, so if FTP goes down the torrent can still be up. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce:

In case this bug doesn't get noticed for awhile, this is the day of the Mozilla 1.5 release.

reassigning to myk

*** Bug 224147 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

RFE -> Confirmed. Should this be filed under the 'webmaster@mozilla.org' component ? BitTorrent is a opensource distributed download-system. For more information, please visit <http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/introduction.html>.

Having official torrents would be great, it may even help to ward off a slashdotting. Maybe adding a simple torrent client to the Mozilla download manager would help to encourage more people to use torrents to download upgrades.

For reference, Mozilla Bit Torrent support is bug 203571 and is wontfix-ed.

Mozilla already supports BitTorrent as a helper app. Bug 203571 is about supporting embedded BitTorrent-hosted images. Whether or not that gets implemented has no bearing on whether mozilla.org uses BitTorrent to distribute copies of its applications and thus no effect on this bug (just in case you were wondering).

I was simply replying to comment 5. I realize bug 203571 isn't exactly what he refers to, but it's fairly close.

I also think that BitTorrent release would be a great benefit to many. For one thing it could solve a problem of finding a fast mirror for the download. You simply click on a torrent link and let the BT client make all the downloading magic.

Mozilla foundation should use Bittorent to distribute the files or achives of each program, it will be a way for the open source community to contribute by helping to lowewr bandwidth costs. yah I'm sure people donate bandwidth via ftp, but why make just a few people donate bandwidth, when bt can distribute the cost. I'm sure the ppl contributing bandwidth can prolly still help by running a tracker and seeding using superseed-mode. I can volunteer my time and energy to setup the trackers and torrents. I just need the donated bandwidth and server to do it with as I am not allowed to exceed bandwidth or run servers from my system or else my ISP will ban me from using them as a ISP. Sincerely, Peter Canada pkarlos_76@yahoo.com

Peter: at the time of the filing of this bug, there were numerous third-party torrents. This bug refers to the foundation hosting a torrent itself, so you would not need to run a server if you wished to implement this.

Based on content of <http://www.mozilla.org/releases/> and existence of bt.mozilla.org, this is fixed.

What about torrents for Firefox and Thunderbird and other Mozilla products?

reopen for FF and TB

Consider using TorrentAid ( http://www.torrentaid.com/ ) for making all the torrents. Quote from the website : "TorrentAid is a suite of easy, powerful, open-source BitTorrent tools. These tools not only work with traditional centralised torrents, but can also create a new generation of decentralised, cross-network swarmable trackerless torrents. With supporting download software these backward-compatible torrents can be used without having to contact a centralised tracker, and can also be "cross-network swarm downloaded" combining BitTorrent download sources with sources on other P2P networks such as Gnutella2 and eDonkey2000."

For Firefox 1.0PR and Firefox 1.0, this may be a key tool in keeping server and bandwidth load down.

Myk or Leaf, will you be able to help us with generating torrents for this release? Ben, if we do get torrents set up, where do we advertise them? I don't want to confuse users with a torrent link that distracts from our primary download link since there are likely very few bittorrent users out there and even when we have had torrents available and highly visible for past major Seamonkey releases, they only ended up accounting for a tiny (tiny!) fraction of our total downloads.

No.

Yes. But not for 1.0.

For the record, I do agree that it shouldn't be mentioned on the download links (Torrent is not prevalent enough to justify it yet). But people who want torrent usually go out of their way to find it, so having the .torrent files available on the ftp server (and the working tracker to go with it) will probably be plenty to keep those folks happy. Maybe a separate page somewhere inconspicuous on the website pointing their existence out.

(In reply to comment #20) > For the record, I do agree that it shouldn't be mentioned on the download links > (Torrent is not prevalent enough to justify it yet). But people who want > torrent usually go out of their way to find it, so having the .torrent files > available on the ftp server (and the working tracker to go with it) will > probably be plenty to keep those folks happy. Maybe a separate page somewhere > inconspicuous on the website pointing their existence out. That sounds like a chicken-and-egg situation, though. A more prominent torrent link, with some brief text encouraging its use to save Moz bandwidth, would have resulted in higher usage during 1.0 release than actually occurred (when no obvious link was presented). As it stood, newcomer would-be torrent-users likely either assumed no torrent existed, or just decided it'd take less time and *effort* to download 4.7Mb normally than to dig through the then-sluggish website to find out.

I'm pretty sure we already have these now, Stuart set them up.

We have them for en-US firefox 1.0.1, though not 1.0.2 yet. No thunderbird. I'll leave this open to update the torrents for 1.0.2 and to remind me to make getting this stuff tracked a bit easier.

Firefox 1.0.3 and Mozilla Suite 1.7.7 are not yet available wia BitTorrent.

Firefox 1.0.4 is also now out, but the BT page is still out of date. I hope the BitTorrent site gets updated to Mozilla Suite 1.7.7, Firefox 1.0.4 and Thunderbird 1.0.2.

The links on http://www.mozilla.org/releases/ are all dead, they link to a page saying : your file may exist elsewhere in the universe but alas, not here The site <bt.mozilla.org> mentioned in comment #12 seems dead, but http://bittorrent.mozilla.org/ appears alive. But is only has FF v1.0.1-en. And the torrents are not very active. In a few minutes, I downloaded zero bytes. It is the same with the torrent files on FTP. Either do this properly or "Just Don't Do It".

Could someone please update the page http://bittorrent.mozilla.org/ with official torrents for Firefox 1.0.5. And add the new Thunderbird when it comes out.

Justin is now the QA for this component.

pavlov: what's the status? I see we have torrent links up for 1.5... still working on automating this or are we all set now?

pavlov: ping

Most of it is automated, or at least easy to run. It could probably use a little bit more work to avoid downloading files it already has and such, but it could certainly be run to pick up all the other locales and then run on any future versions to produce all the stuff you need. I'd like to find a single application that can act as a seed for all the various torrents so that we don't have to leave a bunch of seperate processes running for such things. Suggestions on what we could use for that are welcome. I think we should either write a CGI or use php or something to auto-generate the webpage content and it would be nice to have a slightly nicer looking page. Not sure when I'll have the time to do these various pieces though.

(In reply to comment #31) > I'd like to find a single application that can act as a seed for all the > various torrents so that we don't have to leave a bunch of seperate processes > running for such things. Suggestions on what we could use for that are > welcome. > > I think we should either write a CGI or use php or something to auto-generate > the webpage content and it would be nice to have a slightly nicer looking page. Azureus ( http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ ) embedded tracker is able to do this all: http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Host_and_share_your_torrents You could "share" files, folders, folder contets and folder contets recursive, so torrents will be created automatically and published (hosted) at the integrated tracker. Periodic rescanning of the shares is adjustable. I would much appreciate current and more public known Mozilla Torrents!

Why is this set to WONTFIX?

Any official reason from Mozilla why this is marked as WONTFIX?

As far as I know it was stopped because the benefit was low and the cost was high. Maintaining the tracker and torrents is not trivial, BitTorrent isn't ideally suited for such small files, and the mirror network is handling our release traffic fine nowadays.