Find out if we can bundle flash, etc. to improve the user experience.

twiddle bits.

If we bundle Flash, we should bundle Flash click-to-play, or otherwise make it _very_ easy to restrict the user's Flash experience. Many people who switch to Mozilla/FB are trying to get away from the built-in security holes and ad-enablers of IE, and Flash is both of those. We should not lightly add Flash as a default install.

Flash click-to-view is an ugly hack. The correct way to do that would be an internal click-to-run plugin feature. Unfortunately, enabling this by default would severely interfere with the user experience, probably more so than java and flash ads do already. But even if this option were in the preferences, disabled by default, for people who understand the issues to enable, I think it would be a huge win. Dan does have a point though. Shipping plugins which CAN be obtrusive with no better plugin management than IE has is not necessarily a win. Even the current cumbersome UI for plugin disabling doesn't work. You have to go delete/move the plugin file from your profile and restart if you want to disable a plugin until you actually *need* it for content.

Should be assigned to Marketing. Duplicate of #229590.

Flash 7 is approx. 1MB. I think can be reduced if .xpi is built for it. If concerned about size, might make more sense to leverage plug-ins already installed (since majority of people have flash, qt, etc plug-ins installed already). peterl did a bunch of work on this already I thought. Getting permission rights to bundle flash is trivial. Don't need to bundle any other plug-ins, a link to download plug-ins should suffice.

Likely we will have two downloads - standard and full (full has all the plugins)

Morphing to cover what we'll actually do. Two things to do here: - change fe to point plugin finder service URL at update.mozilla.org - service on update.mozilla.org that translates content type -> xpi download of installer, if no match is found forward to netscape.com plugin finder as a backup. This way the plugin is downloaded and installed simply the first time it is needed, a la IE.

Morphing to cover what we'll actually do. Two things to do here: - change fe to point plugin finder service URL at update.mozilla.org - service on update.mozilla.org that translates content type -> xpi download of installer, if no match is found forward to netscape.com plugin finder as a backup. This way the plugin is downloaded and installed simply the first time it is needed, a la IE.

Are the other common plugins, like Acrobat, Java runtime, QuickTime, RealPlayer, Windows Media Player, also included in this bug, or should another one be opened? Also, is this bug still about bundling the plugins with the "full" version of FF or has it been morphed to adding plugin->xpi functionality only?

think we have the puzzle piece work covered in a bug for jst ( http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244125 ) , and the installer work covered in a bug for blake ( http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253744 ) lets morf this one to a bug for rafael to round up licenses to distribute and xpi's from the vendors.

Flash Win/Mac/Lin: in good shape for license and .xpi's Real Win/Mac/Lin: in good shape for license and .xpi's Sun Win/Lin: in good shape for .xpi's (Linux'll need to point to a page, Win will need to point to their url). QuickTime: need to point to their download page Adobe Acrobat: still working on it

I'm minusing this to get it off the radar. Rafael, send email this week with a list of all the XPIs you have. Download links would be good. We can then put them on the web site and update the service.

wondering what we have now, and how can folks navigate u.m.o to test?

rafael, can you build a list of what we have now, which versions, and which are still coming? I know java 1.5 needs to be there by 1.0 to resolve a number of top crash problems.

*** Bug 251645 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

jst wrote: I updated the server to point to this URI, it now offers "Sun Java J2SE50", which seems to be the name the 1.5 release goes by... Rafael Ebron wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Java 1.5 .xpi > Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:42:51 -0700 > From: Xiaobin Lu <Xiaobin.Lu@Sun.COM> > To: Rafael Ebron <rebron@meer.net> > > > > Our side is ready now. Check out the following url for XPI file. > http://java.sun.com/update/1.5.0/jre-1_5_0-windows-i586.xpi > > Xiaobin

I don't know if it's supposed to work, but in Aviary nightlies on Linux, clicking Install Missing Plug-ins shows Sun Java J2SE50, but when you click "Next", it says: Finished installing the missing plugins: [sic, no hyphen] Sun Java J2SE50 Not Available ((Manual Install)) Manual Install seems to work properly, a new window opens to a page on sun.com. However, at the bottom of the dialog is a link to "find out more...", which opens a new window to: https://update.mozilla.org/plugins/?action=missingplugins&mimetype={fbe640ef-4375-4f45-8d79-767d60bf75b8}&appID={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}&appVersion=2004101008&clientOS=Linux%20i686&chromeLocale=en-US That page simply says: THIS IS WORK IN PROGRESS, PLEASE CHECK BACK LATER.

->Update

Just installed Java 1.5 using the plugin finder, and all went well - except that after installation, the java homepage(java.com) launched - in IE

Marking dependent on licensing bug.

Since this seems to be for Firefox, and Firefox 1.0 is passed, minus'ing the blocking flag, with all the other update blockers. (If this was in error, reset it and sorry for the trouble.)

Moving more bugs to new component.

What's left to do here?

fixed.