We need to fix old and new duplicate content problems http://www.mozilla.org/binaries.html http://www.mozilla.org/projects/distros.html http://www.mozilla.org/download.html http://www.mozilla.org/download-mozilla.html http://www.mozilla.org/download/ <-- upcoming? http://www.mozilla.org/releases/ http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/download/ http://www.mozilla.org/university/hof.xml and various language build download pages... These are very hard to maintain because if you need to add a new product you can easily miss pages, and if you need to change/fix product description, it's even harder. We need to centralize all download links in no more than two pages. binaries.html and distros.html don't belong . download-mozilla.html is a rather confusing filename. Proposing: m.o/download/ m.o/download/source.html m.o/university/hof.xml m.o/intl/

We're about to add another duplication for http://www.mozilla.org/releases/stable.html ..

and don't forget http://www.mozilla.org/source.html :-( I would really like we remove the top navigation Download link. On most software sites "Software" is almost synoumous to "Download". I suggest that we change "Product" to "Software" and remove "Download", that way we remove two almost identitical links and leave room for "Documentation" link (which is really hard to find in the new design). Michael, wanna take this bug? I already have my hands full with community.html rewrite.

I'm happy to make changes, but first one of the Mozilla.org people needs to decide what changes should be made.

I don't think the navbar should change, but we definitely need to clean up the download pages situation and make sure we end up with 1 page that has links to (1) latest versions of all the software, (2) all platforms for each of those, (3) all languages for each of those. I will try and get website-drivers to take a good look at this issue.

thanks Bart. The stable page is staying as builds on stable development branch (1.4.1), so that's ok for now. While I'm spamming this bug, a related issue is that there are version numbers all over the place. Thunderbird 0.4 has just been released, and now there are a whole bunch of pages that need updating from 0.3. Would be better to have the number in one place (or very few), and not in the graphic banner, which is now out of date even on the thunderbird project page. There are always going to be problems keeping things up to date, so minimising the number of pages that need any changes when new versions are available would be good.

related bug 227666 There is no link to download firebird nightly builds.

I agree with Daniel; the Download link is redundant, and it's stupid to waste navbar space like that. Developer should lead to developer documentation User documentation should be linked to from the relevant product's page. The Download link should be replaced with "Get Involved" or "Contribute"-- because that is fundamentally missing from what is supposed to be the main page of an open source project!

http://www.mozilla.org/binaries.html , http://www.mozilla.org/projects/distros.html , and http://www.mozilla.org/releases/stable.html now redirect. So down to 6 :-)

Daniel Wang <stolenclover@yahoo.com.tw>: you messed up. one of the main functions of binaries.html was to provide links to *nightly* builds. a page about /releases/ does not do that. please put binaries.html back. in general we're trying to avoid top level pages, and we're trying to avoid removing pages with 'well known' (i.e. linked to from outside www.mozilla.org) addresses (especially printed in books).

was binaries.html the old page for the Nightly Builds sidebar link?

ask bonsai? http://www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/rview.cgi?dir=mozilla-org/html

> was binaries.html the old page for the Nightly Builds sidebar link? nope http://www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvsview2.cgi?diff_mode=context&whitespace_mode=show&subdir=mozilla-org/html&command=DIFF_FRAMESET&file=template.html&rev1=1.61&rev2=1.62&root=/cvsroot original version (almost) http://www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=all&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=1998-09-03+18%3A00&maxdate=1998-09-03+19%3A00&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot we should move discussion on binaries.html to bug 233328

This is related to bug 222514

reassigning endico's bugs to default owner

What's the status? And is this still considered critical?

down to four and various products/* pages: http://www.mozilla.org/download.html http://www.mozilla.org/download-mozilla.html http://www.mozilla.org/releases/ http://www.mozilla.org/university/hof.xml http://www.mozilla.org/source.html The top navigation bar no longer links to download.html. We need to figure out what to do with it (like merge with products/?)

Here is an idea: Old location New location Type of content /releases/ /products/mozilla1.x/releases/ Same as other ./releases/ /download.html Same or /download/ Lists most recent product downloads /download-mozilla.html /source/ or /source.html Downloading source. /source.html Same or /source/

I would prefer /source/ because it allows to add easily any subdirectories (as ./suite/, ./firefox/, ./nss/ etc.)

I'm wondering if source.html should be moved to developer.mozilla.org (once Myk configures that url to work properly). I'd put download-mozilla.html at /products/source/ ("products" should really be called "software".) I don't think /releases/ should move unless it's being reorganized at the same time.

fantasai, shouldn't that be "gecko" instead of "source" as in "/products/gecko/".

Anne: I don't see why it would be "gecko" - the source page covers all the products - including Sunbird, Camino, Spidermonkey, c-sdk, Mozilla Classic (although some of those have their own pages linked from the main "source" page)

Closing this as fixed. Many of the old download pages for the Mozilla Suite now redirect to this page: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/browsers.html Some of the pages mentioned in the initial bug report also now point to http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mozilla-based.html If there are any other Mozilla Suite download pages that still exist somewhere on www.mozilla.org, please feel free to reopen.