User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Copied from similar entry for Browser (Seamonkey). Firebird should support changing the color/style of the scrollbars (esp. for overflow: auto; divs and textareas), similar to IE and Konquerer using moz-specific CSS. Personally I see this area as an opportunity for Mozilla to, yet again, surpass IE in developer and end-user features. Let's face it, better browsers and more features largely benefit web developers first and foremost. I am able to create a similar web site on browsers from NS4 to IE6, but NS4 is a developer nightmare. Mozilla has no exceeded IE in supporting developers and is why I now use it as my primary browser and development platform. The issue of scrollbar 'skinning' is important to a web designer because it detracts from the ability we have from creating designs that are consistent throughout. As has been said previously it is not so important that the primary browser scrollbars be skinned but rather on those the exist within a page, whether that be a textarea or a div with overflow:auto; The arguement that it ruins a consistent user interface is irrelevent since we all know styles can be changed completely on nearly all form elements (minus some annoynaces with select elements). As well as the fact that Mozilla can be skinned (including scrollbars) and the default 'Modern' skin does not match that of any OS. I propose a much more detailed approach by treating scrollbars as elements within CSS as follows: -moz-scrollbar-track { width: border: background: } -moz-scrollbar-face { width: border: background: } -moz-scrollbar-arrow { width: height: border: background: } Those are what I would consider the primary attributes of the elements and allow for not only changing the colors of the elements but also the ability to use images as a background as well. ------- Additional Comment #79 From Dwight Brown 2003-12-15 09:02 ------- After my initial proposal I gave the concept more thought and think inherency would be needed and that this may be a more proper solution: -moz-scrollbar { -moz-scrollbar-width: -moz-scrollbar-border: -moz-scrollbar-background: -moz-scrollbar-face-border: -moz-scrollbar-face-background: -moz-scrollbar-track-border: -moz-scrollbar-track-background: -moz-scrollbar-arrow-border: -moz-scrollbar-arrow-color: -moz-scrollbar-arrow-background: } The -moz-scrollbar attributes would be inherited by the other optional specific attributes. -moz-scrollbar-arrow-color: would define the arrow color and if set to "transparent" would allow for developers to use the background attribute to create their own. For example: -moz-scrollbar { -moz-scrollbar-width: 0.15in; -moz-scrollbar-border: 1px solid black; -moz-scrollbar-background-color: white -moz-scrollbar-track-background-color: silver; -moz-scrollbar-arrow-background-color: silver; -moz-scrollbar-arrow-color: blue; } Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. 2. 3.

Bug 178651 was reported for this issue in Firebird, it was solved as WONTFIX.

Forgot to say, Opera 7 also has this feature, not enabled by default though.

Browser specific CSS elements (such as -moz CSS stuff) is not valid according to the w3c spec. Duping. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 178651 ***

Nosebleed, there is a lot of stuff in Mozilla that has been added that are not in the specs (like innerHTML, scrollHeight/Width etc). Dismissing this bug report only for this reason is not good enough. I can buy that its annoying or whatever, but this reason is not enough.

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