User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; de-AT; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; de-AT; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 Hi, some pages with ä, ü, ö or accents (french...) are displayed as "?". Each time the error appears, the char set "unicode UTF-8" is activated (blk dot). If I manually activate 'ISO8859-15' or Windows-1252-coding, it works - for this page only. Next time, same behavior. In option "Adapting chat code" I deleted UTF-8 and set ISO to top priority - in vain. Deleting UTF-8 does not mean, Mozilla can't activate it, when it doesn't know which one is best. (Is there a way to delete this malicious UTF-8 completely?) I have read about chosing an option "char code, automatic, universal". This option only displays chinese and other asian languages. No "universal" with my Mozilla... I was advised to try nightly build (engl. language), and it behaved the same. I was told, some pages are not coded according to "propper" HTML-standard. But why do I have to worry about character sets, when IE does it automatically? What's the trick to get Mozilla to display EVERY page correctly? Google and newsgroups are full of people complaining this fault, but nobody knows a solution. For a german Mozilla, displaying german accents reliably should be a top priority (imho ;-) Thanks for your help, Regards, Philipp Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce:

There is no trick when the webpage sends the wrong charset. Also the charset detector of Mozilla seldom makes the wrong guess. Can you show an example page where this happens?

wfm Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040324 My settings are: View->Character encoding->Auto Detect: OFF View->Character encoding->Western(ISO-8859-1) Settings in Edit->Preferences: Navigator->Languages->Character Encoding->Western(ISO-8859-1) Mail&Newsgroups->Message Display->Languages: Character Encoding->Western(ISO-8859-1) Chatzilla->Character Encoding:Default Character Encoding->Western(ISO-8859-1) Windows is german windows, Win98 on one computer and Win98SE on another. I had some trouble on some pages only long time ago, when I used Auto Detect. Where did you find "option" "Adapting Chat code"? IE and Firebird/Firefox use "Options", Mozilla uses "Preferences" Can you give an URL for a page where Umlauts are not displayed? What does View->PageInfo tell about the encoding of that page?

Ok, got some information per mail from reporter: Problem occours for example on http://www.cgq-qgc.ca/tous-silaterre.html Problem occours on http://www.download.de/artikel/d_artikel_11362552.html The header is ok, bold text below header is full of"?", main text is correct again. On the left frame, 1 link has "?" too. Problem occours when following a link from google to www.geizhals.de Universal Charset Detector is set (Off) Default Character Coding is set to ISO8859-15 (he also tried Windows-1252 and ISO-8850-1, made no difference) Under Edit->Preferences Navigator->Languages de, de-AT, en-US, en are set. Deleting UTF-8 under View-Character Encoding-Customize improved the situation, but sometimes it still fails on some sites.

I got a timeout for http://www.cgq-qgc.ca/ Validator doesn´t find an encoding for the download.de link: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.download.de%2Fartikel%2Fd_artikel_11362552.html From the source: <META http-equiv="CONTENT-LANGUAGE" content="de"> A valid encoding would be: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">

(In reply to comment #3) > Ok, got some information per mail from reporter: > Problem occours for example on http://www.cgq-qgc.ca/tous-silaterre.html > http://www.download.de/artikel/d_artikel_11362552.html Both sites are all right if you visit them directly, aren't they? > The header is ok, Actually, it depends on how you look at it. Just 'text/html' is sent via the http header. That's fine as long as you include the proper in-band information. Both sites don't. They have to include meta tag for Content-Type with 'charset' parameter. > Problem occours when following a link from google That's because without any other information available, Mozilla is 'forced' to assume that linked pages use the same encoding as that of the linking page (in case of google, it's usually UTF-8). Anyway, this is a dupe of another bug (that may have been 'wontfix'ed or closed as 'invalid'). I'll mark it as such. > <META http-equiv="CONTENT-LANGUAGE" content="de"> There's nothing wrong with adding Content-Language but the problem is that they don't include Content-Type meta tag.

(In reply to comment #5) > Anyway, this is a dupe of another bug (that may have been 'wontfix'ed or closed > as 'invalid'). I'll mark it as such. Please do it. The sites WFM Moz 1.7b WinNT4.

I believe I've found the dupe, altho it hasn't been resolved one way or another yet. I looked in the Internationalization/WontFix Also see bug 148369. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 158285 ***