[4.xP] Summary: Visiting the above URL, (my web page), and clicking on any of the Javscript links on the image map once, results in the GeoCities' Javascript ad to show up 3 times at the bottom of the page in the lower left corner. It should show up once on the top right of the page. (...is JavaScript fully implemented into Mozilla?) Im using build 2000012208, (M12, a nightly build). Mozilla reports: JavaScript Error: TypeError: document.y10 has no properties URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/8110/main.html LineNo: 44 Internet Explorer has a slightly similar problem, it reports a JavaScript error and does not show the ad at all when going to the URL listed above, but not when going straight to the real site (http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/8110/). Netscape Navigator 4.x has no problems. Reproduction: Visit http://rtool3.cjb.net

Yes. The geocities sites uses server-side user-agent detection to append a <SCRIPT> to the end of the page. The included js code then uses <LAYER> and the document.layers api which does not exist in mozilla. It seems quite straightforward to instead uses the DOM per W3C to implement the same functionality for mozilla/5.0+ (plus lots of refinements made possible by CSS). I'll add more later.

Layer problems. Invalidating bug.

Adding [LAYER] so I can look this up later (yes, I will get back to this bug :-)). But, mystiq, thanks for filing this boog (even though the resolution is invalid, as noted above).

Moving all [LAYER] bugs to Evangelism component for tracking and open-source evangelism by mozilla community members of sites that need to upgrade to support web standards such as HTML 4.0 (instead of LAYER/ILAYER) and the W3C DOM (instead of Nav4 document.layers[] or IE document.all()). Sites should be lobbied to do the upgrade using the email templates that are linked to from http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html#layerbugs . When a site's owner has confirmed receipt of the message requesting an upgrade, the bug should be marked with the keyword evangelized to indicate that evangelism for that bug is complete. When the site finishes the upgrade and supports standards, the bug should be closed.

SPAM:Changing QA contact on 111 evang bugs as I am now the new QA contact for this component. Sorry about the spam zach

Reassigning Evangelism bugs to me, the component's new owner. I would like to take this opportunity to thank nobody@mozilla.org for all of his dedication, contributions, and hard work, and wish him luck at his new job. Thanks, nobody.

workaround bugzilla problem that caused a bunch of evangelism bugs to be NEW/INVALID, NEW/FIXED, NEW/WORKSFORME or NEW/DUPLICATE

-> evangelism@telocity.com for my evangelism bugs. removing the now-depreciated evangelism-related keywords. setting platform to All.

Reassigning evangelism bugs to bclary@netscape.com.

it works now.

The bad GeoCities ads still appear in this page. I will reopend and contact the page author mystiq@optonline.net (Ross Lombardi) to ask him to contact Yahoo/Geocities to see if they have updated ad code. He currently references http://us.geo1.yimg.com/us.geocities.com/js_source/ygNSLib9.js?v2 but there may be a newer version. We need to investigate Geocities member web pages to see if this is something we need to contact geocities.yahoo.com about.

Sorry for the spam, changing assignment and marking status whiteboard according to http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/evangelism.html guidelines.

Thanks for the automatic email guys :) As far as I recall, GeoCities automatically slaps on the ad code to your page. You don't even need to have code in your page telling it to do this, it even auto detects the largest frame if you have frames and puts the code on the respective frame. Eg, a long time ago they had a watermark, which was then replaced by this lovely drop-down ad which I despise but it's better than pop-ups. So basically, there is nothing GeoCities members can do about the ad code on their page. Any problems with it should get referred to GeoCities not the poor webmaster.

will open a separate but on Geocities ads. marking this one won't fix since mystiq can't fix it.

for $50,000,000, that is correct!

The new bug is bug 84101, geocities.com - [LAYER]Geocities ads using Proprietary Navigator 4 DOM.

All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for details.

I will evangelize my contact.

reopen

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 84101 ***

verif duplicate

*** Bug 84101 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

reopening.

assigning to me

->evang500

this thing should really be fixed.. geocities pages really are looking ugly... for example, on my page http://www.geocities.com/bestspl there are 3 sort of ad boxes in the top-left corner, and they don't really display ads.. just sit there, and you cannot close them, cos if you try, the page will refresh... and because of them, the content in my site is being pushed down

Geocities clearly needs to hear from their customers in order to prioritize fixing this. I have let them know several times over the past few months what the issue is yet seen no response. Thanks.

why can't this be fixed from mozilla's site instead of Geocities?

Mozilla is based on web standards, which does not include the proprietary LAYERS tag that is used on Geocities for these ads.

*** Bug 127754 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Although the geocities ads are hidable via layers, it is quite often that the javascript itself is broken (or whatever generating it is). Its been clearly established that they don't do browser detection for Netscape > 5. Lately I've been finding that it messes with page layout and sometimes making my scrollbars dissappear. Can someone please smack them around more?

*** Bug 143361 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

*** Bug 171069 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

-->bclary

I have recently communicated the issues to them however have not yet received a reply.

they still haven't fixed this. -> WONTFIX

Somebody ought to be putting continued pressure on Yahoo / GeoCities to fix this, rather than just WONTFIXing it and putting it out of sight, out of mind.

Please do. I have communicated with them, provided them code which will correct the problems and had no luck in getting them to fix it. WONTFIX is not out of sight out of mind. It is an easy way to delineate sites which have not or will not change. If others have the time to contact these sites they are easy to find. The only thing that will change their minds is for their users to complain and/or move their content elsewhere. I can't force them to do something if they don't want to do it.

*** Bug 203513 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

v, Bob, you might attach the working code that you had to this bug.

*** Bug 229243 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

What's amazing is that this *STILL* hasn't been fixed by Geocities. The way they currently serve up the ads is not only ugly, it just plain doesn't work; they might as well just remove the ad banner entirely for Moz users, since we won't see the actual ad anyway, just "undefined"...

This should be reopened and [not-responsive] added to the status whiteboard.

Ok. Agreed. This has been a thorn in our sides for years. It would take literally minutes to fix and nothing has been done. -> REOPEN

It appears that Yahoo is working on this problem. On some Geocities-hosted websites, collapsible text ads that work in Mozilla are now appearing instead of the old 3-panel graphic ad boxes. However, the new ads and old ads seem to be showing up interchangeably. I have taken a screenshot of these new ads, and it can be found at: http://oldf2s.f2g.net/temp/2004/10/16/geocitiesads.jpg

cool. marketshare + ad dollars at work. ;-) Nate, let me know when you guys have this fixed.

Looks fixed.

yes, it is fixed. thank you!