User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041001 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041001 This bug follows from bug 257938. Specifically setting browser.display.focus_ring_width to 0 removes outlines from all elements EXCEPT for div:overflow. Outlining on those elements should also pay attention to this preference. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Using about:config set "browser.display.focus_ring_width" to 0. 2. Go to the referenced URL. 3. Click on the main content area. Actual Results: Focus outline is displayed around the DIV. Expected Results: No outline should have been displayed. Filing this bug under the same component as bug 257938 - feel free to to move it as necessary.

There are other things that don't currently obey that preference. Actually I was thinking about removing these prefs eventually once we have a more reasonably visible focus outline that 'just works' (see bug 251198). There's a Mac bug as well somewhere. If we fix the other complaints about dotted focus outlines around div overflow stuff is this still necessary?

I suppose that if the presentation problems with div:overflow can get fixed, then the *main* "problem" is gone and that I'd be okay with that. However, I should state that, as a purely personal observation, I've never been keen on the outlining of any element (button, etc.) - and since using this preference for the past few days I've enjoyed a much more satisfactory browsing experience. (Oddly, some of the recent behaviour of things jumping around seems to have been corrected, for me, by not having the outlining shown. I haven't had a chance to narrow this down but it seems as if the outline rendering has actually regressed something recently. I know, of course, that that's something quite different from this bug here.) As for bug 257938 - I have enough problem with the outlining as it is. Making it even MORE visible would be just ... wrong. <grin> (In the case of keyboard navigation anyway - but that's bug 262578, so I won't go into it any more here.)

You'll still be able to remove your outlines with userContent.css rules Try something like *:focus { -moz-outline: none !important; } The !important is probably not necessary actually.

> *:focus { -moz-outline: none !important; } That sounded good, but it didn't do anything (for any element). Outlines are still shown...

Mass un-assigning bugs assigned to Aaron.