Open Bug 307070 Opened 19 years ago Updated 1 year ago

Request for Outlook-style AutoPreview feature to see first few lines of messages

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(Thunderbird :: Mail Window Front End, enhancement)

enhancement

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(Not tracked)

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(Reporter: dan, Unassigned)

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(Depends on 1 open bug)

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(Whiteboard: needs-design)

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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6 Outlook has an excellent feature (see attached screenshot) where it shows the first few lines of the body of unread messages. This is a complement, not an alternative, to the preview pane, as it allows even quicker identification of important messages and spam. Any AutoPreview feature should be user selectable to be used only for unread messages (my recommended default), for all messages, or never. This feature is similar to the request in bug 269264, but based on my experience with Outlook, AutoPreview is well worth implementing. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce:
This shows AutoPreview for new messages, but not read ones.
Seems like a valid RFE to me. See also Suite bug 198615.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
Version: unspecified → Trunk
Something for thunderbird 2.0 maybe?
Flags: blocking-aviary2?
Flags: blocking-firefox2? → blocking-thunderbird2?
we've already done something similar for Thunderbird 2 via tooltips and the new mail alert. We aren't going to block 2 on adding this preview text to the thread pane too.
Flags: blocking-thunderbird2? → blocking-thunderbird2-
howdy y'all, [1] my tb info ... Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060308 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 - Build ID: 2006030803 [2] since i don't care for the msg pane [aka = preview pane] i would find the ability to see a snippet from each msg in the thread pane VERY handy. even without the tweak to make it show only for certain msg states - like read/unread - seeing the 1st few lines would help rather a lot. i have looked at the tooltip version of this and find it not very helpful cuz i hafta hover over a msg to see the tooltip. take care, lee
How about doing one line for a start ?
Bug 312940 has implemented a new alert format for notifying of new messages, which includes a line from the new message. Bug 314124 has implemented a tooltip-style popup when hovering over a folder with new messages, which shows the same information. Bug 335310 requests an Outlook-like multi-line display, but not specifically for previewing message text.
(In reply to comment #7) > Bug 335310 requests an Outlook-like multi-line display, but not specifically > for previewing message text. > howdy mike, while 335310 [how do i make that a link?] is asking for "subject, sender, date, and spam status" to be displayed in a multi-line threadpane display. what this ref seems to be asking for is the one-line that is already shown PLUS a snippet of the text of the msg. one, two, or three lines of the msg shown under the row of items for that msg. this seems VERY different to me. take care, lee
(In reply to comment #8) > while 335310 [how do i make that a link?] Bugzilla automagically creates links if you write the word bug and a number after it.
It sounds to me (original filer of 335310) that there are two issues: 1) The ability to display messages in message list using more than one line per message item. Perhaps by making message display/column/layout be a configurable sub-view in itself. 2) The ability to make one of the things being displayed for a message (in message list) include the first X lines/words/characters of the message text. The second feature really doesn't make too much sense until you have the first feature, but they are separate, distinct features -- each add a different kind of value.
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Just like to add, based on what I understand: 1. There's a need of the end user: a more efficient way of managing multiple spam mails. 2. It should require a min. number of clicks to see (some content of) a max number of mails, so that he could mark them as a group (to junk or unjunk or delete) 3. The "outlook like" feature may be a solution. (I'm not familiar) 4. I think google's gmail also has a solution. (eg. See attached screen shot. I can confirm and delete 4 mails at one go: Without clicking to make it appear on preview, without hovering over; I just need one line of content to decide, to multi-select, then delete forever.) 5. The problem here is probably to determine which is the easiest to implement solution, so that this need can be met with smallest programming effort ? Just a contribution to the discussion -kokwei- PS. Why I need this ? see my post http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2268031 spam filter is good, but I still cannot avoid the need to read the many spam every other day :-(
A simple, programmable solution would be best I think. E.g. <email-name> - <subject>\<snippet> would produce: Arthur Smith - Test email Just a quick test email... or <email-full>\<subject> Arthur Smith (asmith@example.com) Test email That way, everyone would be happy(ish) instead of arguing over the exact format. If we have to go with a fixed format, I'd prefer something like the latter. PS. Is there a guide to compiling Thunderbird for Windows? If I could build the thing, I'd contribute code myself.
> PS. Is there a guide to compiling Thunderbird for Windows? If I could build the http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Build_Documentation
Okay, thanks. So looking at it, modifications would need to be made to the list display gadget (control or whatever) to allow for multiple lines. It's not as simple as adding \n into the strings. Also, a method for extracting the first line of an email must be created, to avoid the snippet being "Hi Paul,"
see also bug #359462, an rfe about the zimbra style of doing this.
Depends on: placescontroller
(In reply to comment #16) > see also bug #359462, an rfe about the zimbra style of doing this. I guess Seth meant bug 364090.
oops, yes.
Depends on: 364090
No longer depends on: placescontroller
QA Contact: front-end
Isn't this a dupe of bug 213945?
Agreed.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 18 years ago
Resolution: --- → DUPLICATE
(In reply to comment #20) bug 213945 talks only about improving vertical view, autopreview (if implemented) would be an additional option of which this bug is about (see first few lines of messages).
This clearly is not a duplicate of that bug. Both summaries, description and screenshots are clear, except the third screenshot here, that is pointless. Bug 213945 is about the message headers view, this bug is about message body preview. Bug 213945 request that the headers view should be multiline: sender, size and date on the first and subject on the second line, for instance. So it would require less horizontal view on the middle column of the vertical layout. Take a look here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=258111 This bug request that the first few lines or the first few words of the message body to appear on the 'headers view'. Take a look here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=194882
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: DUPLICATE → ---
Please consider more recent (and intense) work of bug 213945 the preview is attacked also see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=307013 and from c 6 there, this is also treated , but c33 states some split to that bug that made me not dupe this.
Depends on: 213945
Assignee: mscott → nobody
Status: REOPENED → NEW
howdy y'all, apple just updated their mail app to include this. lookee ... http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/a-roar-for-mac-os-x-lion-e-mail/ "The Inbox now shows you the first couple of lines of the message, which is much more helpful than seeing only the subject line." take care, lee
It would also be nice, if there would only be a second line for showing the subject and in the first line there could be shown the main infos like on the second Outlook screenshot "A better view of the Outlook column display". But in the way it is until now, the 3 column view uses too much space for nothing and can't really good used if you didn't have an ultra-wide display. It would also be nice if there would be an add-on for such things. But there is also nothing for this. :-(

Request is still relevant. That would be a very good feature. The practice of using email programs, including on a smartphone, shows that it is very convenient to see the beginning of a message without any additional clicks or mouse movements.
It is also present in default mail app client in Mac OS X, and there it looks more attractive than in Outlook.

It would be convenient in addition, if it will be possible to set the size to display the message body. And also to set whether to replace line breaks with spaces to display more information in the same area.

Many applications have this feature. Apparently this is in demand

I'd like to have 2 line of the message list so I can read more content of the subject.

With large monitor this feature should be awesome

More support for this long requested feature. Thunderbird really looks old-fasioned without it. Unlike 15 years ago, most people use 16:9 monitors today, where the vertical view would be best - if it was possible to make the message headers multiline.

I really have to agree with the original poster here, if there isn't a technical reason for implementing this optional view then why is it not atleast considered or this bug closed with a statement that it wont be implemented?

If there is a genuine technical reason I can appreciate that although I don't think that would be the case as it is available in Geary, Apple Mail and Outlook to name just three clients. If it is a hard headed reason such as we 'we know better' and it isn't a feature that Mozilla would implemet then they should just be honest with that decision, we might not agree but I would respect that and then move on to something that would work better for me.

As stated above the VAST majority of useers have Widescreen displays on laptops and desktop PCs. It makes so much sense to use the 3 panel vertical view and having that additional line of text in a mail DOES help with mail triage. It is a time and usability improvement that should at least be considered.

Thunderbird sadly is falling further and further behind and looks very dated, I applaud the decision to include a PIM by default a few years back as the right and natural decision for the project to follow. I would be asking the question where does Thunderbird as a project see itself in the next 5 years?

I kindly ask that you give users the ability to have this optional display option to improve their experience with Thinderbird. You might even find that it brings a number of new users to your software.

I completely agree with the original poster and with Jamie M, above. This is not only as "outlook" layout, but the layout of most modern email clients that I have come across over the passed 6 years. There is a reason for this. The compact, multi-line layout of subject, correspondents, and dates WORKS! Thunderbird's column layout obscures information (even when I have the application full screen on a 2560x1440 monitor - I can't imagine what it is like on a laptop - haven't tried). The current Thunderbird layout does "get the job done" (I can use my mouse, drag, find the information I need with a bunch of fiddling), but there are more elegant solutions that have been around now for a long time. I would consider this feature to be a worthy "marketing" priority, that would help Thunderbird feel far less dated (and user friendly). I really encourage the developers to re-evaluate this.

15 years ago, seriously? OMG! 🙍‍♂️🤦‍♂️

+1 for the feature of having a two-lined messages list. We might even get crazy and ask for 3 lines. 🙋‍♂️

+2 for this feature. We just moved from probably 10 years of Outlook to Tbird and this is the most annoying missing feature aside from not handling pst files with passwords. I can't believe it's been 15 years and you guys haven't addressed this time-saving feature. How much spam do you guys get ? How many news emails that you just need to glance at and delete? This makes the job 1000x faster!

+1 for the feature of two-lined messages list, i changed from thunderbird to to outlook 6 or 7 years ago because this thing. to click one mail after another to find what you need is terrible. It´s a pity to have so powerful features and miss this simple thing

Agreed. I can understand that many users of Thunderbird are not used to this feature, nor care to use it, but it is (a) an industry standard and (b) notibly increases worflow. I hope this becomes a priority for this project because keep attempting to use this software but I always end up going back to a webapp. This is coming from a linux user.

+100 for this feature. I'm crying for this feature for years. Unbelievable that such modern thing is missing here. Mozilla & Thunderbird are doing great job by implementing various new features, so please, look on this one too.

How can we contribute to add this implementation of multi-lines on list of e-mails on Thunderbird?
Is there any way to proceed?

+1000 for this one.

(In reply to Alexander Jonathan Hardy Steffen from comment #35)

Agreed. I can understand that many users of Thunderbird are not used to this feature, nor care to use it, but it is (a) an industry standard and (b) notibly increases worflow. I hope this becomes a priority for this project because keep attempting to use this software but I always end up going back to a webapp. This is coming from a linux user.

I do agree, trying to move Outlook users to Thunderbird in my company, however the absence of that specific feature makes it impossible.

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Figured I'd show my support & bump via a +1.


Quite surprised that despite so much support and time for (what I would typically expect to be) a simple issue hasn't resulted in any resolution. I haven't even seen any addons which achieve this functionality.

(In reply to Henrique from comment #37)
How can we contribute to add this implementation of multi-lines on list of e-mails on Thunderbird?
Is there any way to proceed?

Additional +1 to this. I haven't done anything with Thunderbird dev in past but would be happy to give it a go or support in some other way.

This isn't exactly a big deal, the available layout is fine, it is just that this stacked layout is nicer, more informative and easier to read.
Further, having it would make for a kinder migration for many.

(In reply to Alexander Jonathan Hardy Steffen from comment #35)

Agreed. I can understand that many users of Thunderbird are not used to this feature, nor care to use it, but it is (a) an industry standard and (b) notibly increases worflow. I hope this becomes a priority for this project because keep attempting to use this software but I always end up going back to a webapp. This is coming from a linux user.

Aside: +1 to this too.

We're working on a new tree list widget which will allow us to be more flexible and implement this feature.

Whiteboard: needs-design

(In reply to kyran from comment #42)

Figured I'd show my support & bump via a +1.

Apologies, I believe this was a poorly directed message.

I believe my intended target was Bug 213945.

Having said that this feature would also be great.

(In reply to Alessandro Castellani [:aleca] from comment #43)

We're working on a new tree list widget which will allow us to be more flexible and implement this feature.

Great! Glad to hear! Thanks.

nb. To provide an update and give a sense of the effect of this sort of thing-- I've just switched to the Betterbird branch as this/the parent issue is resolved there.

(In reply to Alessandro Castellani [:aleca] from comment #43)

We're working on a new tree list widget which will allow us to be more flexible and implement this feature.

What a great news! Hope implementation will go smoothly!

I checked screenshots from Betterbird where such feature is implemented, and it looks great. I hope Thunderbird will join forces with Betterbird to bring all modern features.

Severity: normal → S3
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