As you might have seen in the newsgroups or on the Mozilla blog, there's a couple of changes to search engines planned for the 4.0 release for en-US: <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.l10n/msg/81073d8d67e1c4c3>. We would like to use this opportunity to review the current productization setup for Portuguese (Brazilian) and make any changes that you think will be good for our users. What is a productization review? ================================ Here's what we're interested in: * search engines, * protocol handlers, * feed readers, * live bookmark. You can see what your locale currently ships with at <http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n/l10n-src-verification/file/default/reference/browser/2.0/pt-BR> Please take a moment and review the choice of services available by default in your locale. If there have been any new services that have recently gained popularity and that offer good value for the users, please suggest adding them to your locale. On the other hand, if there are services that lost credibility (e.g. display too many adds) or have poor user experience, consider suggesting that we remove them. If in doubt, feel free to make a suggestion and we'll look at it together. You might find the guidelines at <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Productization> and <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Firefox/Productization> helpful, too. Required changes ================ There's two things I would like to draw your attention to (if applicable): 1) if you have a google.xml file in your `searchplugins` directory, please remove it, 2) Bloglines is closing down on November 1st and we need to remove it from the feed reader options for all locales (see bug 595485). We suspect that it will make sense to move Google Reader up to the first position (if your locale has it). We will be offering technical help with this change, either in form of ready-made patches or a mass-landing by one of the l10n-drivers. If you don't think that moving Google Reader up is a good idea for your locale, please let us know! Changes in en-US and en-GB ========================== Here's the changes that we will be making in en-US and en-GB: * add Bing as the 3rd general search engine (see bug 603298), * remove Answers, * remove Creative Commons. We're making these changes in en-US and en-GB because we feel that they follow the recent market trends and user preferences in the US and the UK. We would like to go through the same thought process for your locale and see if any of these changes would make sense in Portuguese (Brazilian) builds as well. If you decide that implementing these changes would be in your users' best interest then please go ahead and include them in the patch you'll attach to this bug. Implementation ============== Please make suggestions for changes and attach patches that Seth, Axel or I will review. Please note that since Bing provides a global plugin which does the locale detection itself, you will only need to add "bing" to your list.txt if you decide to include it. The XML file will be automatically pulled from en-US. Once a review is granted, you can land the patch on l10n-central if your locale actively maintains it. Otherwise, please wait for further instructions which will be put in the comments of this bug and announced in mozilla.dev.l10n (we're still unsure when the branching will happen). Please do not land any changes except for the required ones (google.xml, Bloglines) on 1.9.2. If you do not wish to make any changes, let us know, and we'll only work on removing Bloglines. Thanks!

BuscaPé (price comparison tool) opens a popunder when user clicks a link in the search results. Is it acceptable? I would like to just remove it, as Mercado Livre (auction site) already fills the e-Commerce category. Bing, as far as I known, is not as useful in Portuguese as it is in English. I wouldn't like to add it. An engine I would like to add is, like Fennec pt-BR, Twitter. See: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-twitter-reach-by-country-2010-10 What do you think? Google Yahoo Mercado Livre Wikipedia Twitter

Is Twitter's site functionality consistent enough for us to add them? I have to admit, nearly every time I try to visit http://www.twitter.com I get a session timeout. I think that is a pretty poor experience from Twitter and I am not sure I am comfortable shipping that. But, perhaps it is different in Brazil? By the way, keep in mind that Bing and Yahoo have formed a search alliance.

(In reply to comment #1) > BuscaPé (price comparison tool) opens a popunder when user clicks a link in the > search results. Is it acceptable? I would like to just remove it, as Mercado > Livre (auction site) already fills the e-Commerce category. I don't think that's a behavior we want to promote. We can do things: either remove the engine, or reach out to BuscaPé and ask them to stop opening the popunder. The second option makes sense to me if you think that aside from the popunder, BuscaPé *is* a good search engine to have in our pt-BR builds. > Bing, as far as I known, is not as useful in Portuguese as it is in English. I > wouldn't like to add it. I just checked and it looks like it is available in Portuguese. However, Alexa ranks it only at 43rd position in terms of traffic in Brazil (compared to Google's #1 and Yahoo's #10). Interestingly, live.com is #6. > What do you think? > > Google > Yahoo > Mercado Livre > Wikipedia > Twitter Adding Twitter is fine, but Seth has a good point. This list looks good to me (with my comment about BuscaPé above).

(In reply to comment #2) > Is Twitter's site functionality consistent enough for us to add them? I have > to admit, nearly every time I try to visit http://www.twitter.com I get a > session timeout. I think that is a pretty poor experience from Twitter and I > am not sure I am comfortable shipping that. But, perhaps it is different in > Brazil? Well, Twitter is not known for its stability. :-) I considered it an option because Fennec ships Twitter. (In reply to comment #3) > I don't think that's a behavior we want to promote. We can do things: either > remove the engine, or reach out to BuscaPé and ask them to stop opening the > popunder. The second option makes sense to me if you think that aside from the > popunder, BuscaPé *is* a good search engine to have in our pt-BR builds. Popunders are an old issue with BuscaPé (I remember commenting it to Mic Berman). I'll try to reach them. > I just checked and it looks like it is available in Portuguese. However, Alexa > ranks it only at 43rd position in terms of traffic in Brazil (compared to > Google's #1 and Yahoo's #10). Interestingly, live.com is #6. The Bing UI is in pt-BR, but the engine is not the same one used by English results. Actually, according to the news when Bing was released, Bing pt-BR is MSN/Live branded as Bing. It still seems to be true today.

Bloglines still remains in your 1.9.2 repository. Please prepare a patch to remove it. However please note the new update about Bloglines below. Mozilla has been contacted by the new owners of Bloglines who have said they will keep the service running. If you have no other options, you can consider leaving it. However, it is hard to say whether that team who is now in control of Bloglines will change their mind again. The l10n-drivers feel that it would be best to remove it altogether. Also, if any of the productization changes you recommend for Firefox 4, please provide a patch to make that change on l10n-central. Thank you.

For 1.9.2/Bloglines, can I use this patch as a template? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=480485&action=diff

Yes, that will work. We'll need to make changes on both 1.9.2 and l10n-central.

Comment on attachment 493456 [details] [diff] [review] Remove Blogines from l10n-mozilla-1.9.2 Please check this into 1.9.2 and add a comment that references bug 604003 and the change. Once you have tested on the nightly, please don't forget to sign off.

Comment on attachment 493457 [details] [diff] [review] Remove Blogines from l10n-central For Firefox 4, we are removing the Keyword URL (for location bar searches) feature. Please remove that with this patch and resubmit. I'll r+ it after that. Thanks.

Comment on attachment 495449 [details] [diff] [review] Remove Blogines and keyword.URL from l10n-central Please land this patch, adding a comment to your checkin that references bug 604003, r=sethb and the changes made. After you have tested the change, please don't forget to sign off on pt-BR so it gets picked up in the next beta.

Did you guys land the patch and test and then sign off? If so, please resolve this bug as fixed.