We need to know how often Firefox users restart their browsers.

Below is the Windows uptime data Firefox 3.6 crashes for the period of 2010-12-04 to 2011-05-10. Besides invalid entries the report excludes the uptime data for crashes on systems where firefox.exe has been running for less than 15 minutes (there were many of these and increasing the time to 30 minutes reduced the under 12 hours percentage by over 10 percent iirc) and for more than 84 days (there were very few of these and there were a few that claimed to be running for 1000's of days) to hopefully reduce the skewing due to this data being from crashes. I also excluded crashes that didn't have a value for seconds since last crash or that had a value for seconds since last crash that was less than 7 days. Summary ================================= Crash lines processed : 23353548 Crashes included : 2636065 Skipped Line Breakdown ======================================================= Invalid line format : 50 Invalid firefox.exe name : 170 Less than minimum uptime (15 minutes) : 1771321 More than maximum uptime (84 days) : 3519 Missing since last crash : 4666778 Less than minimum since last crash (7 days) : 14275645 Hours | Count | Percent ------+---------+-------- 12 | 2243942 | 85.12% 24 | 130711 | 4.96% 36 | 74049 | 2.81% 48 | 34024 | 1.29% 60 | 30793 | 1.17% 72 | 17793 | 0.67% 84 | 18293 | 0.69% 96 | 11046 | 0.42% 108 | 11708 | 0.44% 120 | 7387 | 0.28% 132 | 7656 | 0.29% 144 | 5245 | 0.20% 156 | 5740 | 0.22% 168 | 3990 | 0.15% >168 | 33688 | 1.28% This is the same report without excluding crashes that didn't have a value for seconds since last crash. Summary ================================= Crash lines processed : 23353548 Crashes included : 5689719 Skipped Line Breakdown ======================================================= Invalid line format : 50 Invalid firefox.exe name : 399 Less than minimum uptime (15 minutes) : 3381140 More than maximum uptime (84 days) : 6595 Less than minimum since last crash (7 days) : 14275645 Hours | Count | Percent -------+---------+-------- 12 | 4985179 | 87.62% 24 | 255241 | 4.49% 36 | 134126 | 2.36% 48 | 60510 | 1.06% 60 | 53418 | 0.94% 72 | 30493 | 0.54% 84 | 30805 | 0.54% 96 | 18360 | 0.32% 108 | 19214 | 0.34% 120 | 12118 | 0.21% 132 | 12630 | 0.22% 144 | 8545 | 0.15% 156 | 9318 | 0.16% 168 | 6413 | 0.11% >168 | 53349 | 0.94%

I emailed jono to see if we can get uptime from existing TestPilot data and I'll be following up with him sometime in the next couple of days. I'm going to run the report against a similar set of Firefox 4.0 data as well.

Below is the Windows uptime data Firefox 4.0 crashes for the period of 2010-11-11 to 2011-05-10. Besides invalid entries the report excludes the uptime data for crashes on systems where firefox.exe has been running for less than 15 minutes and for more than 84 days to hopefully reduce the skewing due to this data being from crashes as the Firefox 3.6 report. I also excluded crashes that didn't have a value for seconds since last crash or that had a value for seconds since last crash that was less than 7 days. The Firefox 4.0 report includes crashes from before the Firefox 4.0 release and also has a much larger number of nightly users than the Firefox 3.6 report. I assume that this will increase the number of crashes that happen and lessen the number of longer uptime values. Summary ================================= Crash lines processed : 12124849 Crashes included : 826424 Skipped Line Breakdown ====================================================== Invalid line format : 61 Invalid firefox.exe name : 12 Less than minimum uptime (15 minutes) : 490072 More than maximum uptime (84 days) : 1930 Missing since last crash : 2982184 Less than minimum since last crash (7 days) : 7824166 Hours | Count | Percent -------+---------+-------- 12 | 696468 | 84.27% 24 | 47556 | 5.75% 36 | 26384 | 3.19% 48 | 12280 | 1.49% 60 | 10231 | 1.24% 72 | 6382 | 0.77% 84 | 5593 | 0.68% 96 | 3714 | 0.45% 108 | 3409 | 0.41% 120 | 2181 | 0.26% 132 | 2081 | 0.25% 144 | 1413 | 0.17% 156 | 1476 | 0.18% 168 | 1018 | 0.12% >168 | 6238 | 0.75% This is the same report without excluding crashes that didn't have a value for seconds since last crash. Summary ================================= Crash lines processed : 12124849 Crashes included : 2678407 Skipped Line Breakdown ====================================================== Invalid line format : 61 Invalid firefox.exe name : 58 Less than minimum uptime (15 minutes) : 1617705 More than maximum uptime (84 days) : 4452 Less than minimum since last crash (7 days) : 7824166 Invalid line format : 61 Invalid firefox.exe name : 58 Less than minimum uptime : 1617705 More than maximum uptime : 4452 Less than since last crash : 7824166 Hours | Count | Percent -------+---------+-------- 12 | 2392769 | 89.34% 24 | 117365 | 4.38% 36 | 58474 | 2.18% 48 | 26067 | 0.97% 60 | 21011 | 0.78% 72 | 12361 | 0.46% 84 | 11166 | 0.42% 96 | 6887 | 0.26% 108 | 6371 | 0.24% 120 | 4136 | 0.15% 132 | 3723 | 0.14% 144 | 2578 | 0.10% 156 | 2673 | 0.10% 168 | 1816 | 0.07% >168 | 11010 | 0.41%

TestPilot data 20348 records which equates to approximately 10174 records. I removed the records that were less than 15 minutes which accounted for 4960 records. There were also 2 records that had a huge value for the difference between startup and shutdown that I removed. This left a total of 4532 records when records that didn't have matching startup and shutdown records were removed. Hours | Count | Percent -------+---------+-------- 12 | 4431 | 97.77% 24 | 69 | 1.52% 36 | 16 | 0.35% 48 | 5 | 0.11% 60 | 6 | 0.13% 72 | 1 | 0.02% 84 | 1 | 0.02% 96 | 1 | 0.02%

(In reply to comment #0) > We need to know how often Firefox users restart their browsers. I'm interested in knowing this too. (In reply to comment #4) > 20348 records which equates to approximately 10174 records. I removed the > records that were less than 15 minutes which accounted for 4960 records. I'm wondering why the shorter data was excluded here. Couldn't users genuinely be starting Firefox for short periods ?

One more question. Does uptime from crash-stats measure the total number of seconds since the last crash ? How do you get from there to the average time Firefox was running without crashing ?

(In reply to comment #5) > (In reply to comment #4) > > 20348 records which equates to approximately 10174 records. I removed the > > records that were less than 15 minutes which accounted for 4960 records. > > I'm wondering why the shorter data was excluded here. Couldn't users > genuinely be starting Firefox for short periods ? They very well could... the data set used isn't ideal to get this type of data when using crashstats since there can be multiple crashes in a row. (In reply to comment #6) > One more question. Does uptime from crash-stats measure the total number of > seconds since the last crash ? No. It is the last crash date/time > How do you get from there to the average time > Firefox was running without crashing ? The data I derived is for number of people than ran Firefox without restarting over 12 hour groups just using uptime for how long Firefox has been running. If there is a report using this data you'd like I can most likely create one or supply you with the raw data I have.

Rob, afaik this data was used in the recent change from 12 to 24 hours for display of the app update UI. Is this work complete?

yep though we *might* want to investigate deeper at some point.