I really don't want to piss against Netscape, but what's lying in the SeaMonkey tree isn't funny anymore. There's lot of "Netscape" showing and poping up, that's ok *for now*. But please take a look at "Help|About Communicator".

This article might interesting for the relevance: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/09/20/1051226&mode=thread

reporter(ben), could you please change the summary and clearly(and succinctly) state the problem in the body of this bug? - Thanks

I noticed, the copyright page as changed since the last days, but most problems remain. I'm not even close to being a lawyer, but if it right, what I know of NPL/MPL, there're still at least the following legal/ethnical problems (ignore all invalid ones): - No mention of MPL (other licences?) - NPL 1.0 (isn't 1.1 current?) - No mention of other Initial Developers (even stating Netscape is the only one) - Mozilla is no commercial item

I am giving this one to chofmann to find proper person for the clean up work. I suspect that there mignt be other locations that have similar problems.

this clean up work is underway. -> don, cc hyatt,pavlov,matt

I note a lot of this stuff is gone as of 1999102608. Stuff associated with "What's Related" lingers. For one, shouldn't the "Related Links" stuff point to dmoz.org rather than info.netscape.com and directory.netscape.com?

Braden, could you please explain "this stuff"? Problems 1, 3 and 4 I mentioned still exist.

Braden, if you speak about the skin, I have to second that. I see much less "Netscape", although it is still there, e.g the default message window of Messenger or "Help|New to the Net". Links to Netscape, where no open source counterpart exists (at the moment), will be harder, like "Help|Help", "Help|Tech Support", the additional panels and "My Netscape". And don't forget the dialogs! (Sorry, can't be more specific.)

There is no netscape stuff in help menu's. I don't know if we are going to yank the my netscape bookmarks. Brendan, Shaver? Who makes the call?

Matt, in fact, there aren't there anymore, they must have been removed (or I'm stupid). See <URL:http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/modules/libpref/src/init/config.js> for the prove, that I'm not crasy.

> And don't forget the dialogs! (Sorry, can't be more specific.) Here's at least one: <http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xpfe/components/ucth/resources/locale/en-US/unknownContent.dtd#4>

Making a "meta" bug; adding 17620 as a dependency.

As long as the issues mentioned here aren't ignored...

Fix this in M13.

I have fixes for most of the chrome stuff. I want to hit the M12 tree with them.

Updating milestone to match latest milestone of dependency (M14 for 21575).

Doing l10n work I ran across "Netscape" strings in chrome/messenger/.../imapMsgs.properties Shouldn't that also be changed to "Mozilla"?

Moving all UE/UI bugs to new component: User Interface: Design Feedback UE/UI component will be deleted.

in the Tasks menu there is a menu item labled "Netscape". Should this be "Browser" or "Mozilla".

oops, I meant "Navigator" in the Tasks menu. It also shows up in the File menu.

I think ``Navigator'' is fine. It's one of the names we use for the browser component (c.f. chrome://navigator/content/ or what have you).

Bug #27477 is about the problems I mentioned in the copyright page.

the netcenter bookmarks are back in the default profile. adding another dependancy

ok, so maybe they never went away and I'm just blind.

Widening scope from the word "Netscape" to all Netscape-specific chrome. I hope, that in your interest, shaver. Please add all concrete bugs as dependency. pavlov, I think you forgot to actually add the dependency to the bookmarks bug.

Adding 'skins' keyword to selected chrome bugs. Please add any omissions. Sorry for any mistakes...

Shouldn't this bug be re-targetted for a current or future milestone, hopefully M16?

Mass-adding beta2 keyword to all skins bugs.

removing from skins radar after discussing with shaver.

Putting on [nsbeta2-] radar.

Upating [nsbeta-] to read [nsbeta2-] in Status Whiteboard.

bug 20862 is set for M18. bug 37877 has no milestone. Since this bug can't be resolved untill they are fixed, Either they need to be moved to M16 or this bug (and bug 37877) need to be moved to M18.

M16 has been out for a while now, these bugs target milestones need to be updated.

IMO this is a MUSTFIX for mozilla1.0, especially if Netscape did not promise not to sue competing Mozilla distributors because of this bug.

I agree that this is a 1.0 issue. I'm cleaning up TM and keywords and stuff, and will try to make time today to go look at the depended-upon bugs and figure out which should also be a 1.0 issue.

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I totally disagree. Why the anti-Netscape bias? Is Netscape leaving the Mozilla.org project? Last time I looked, Netscape started this project. Netscape is funding it. Netscape is promoting it, and still suddenly "netscape" is a curse word??. Look at Sun and their OpenOffice / StarOffice... OpenOffice is open source, YET, when you check the "about..." you see "Copyright Sun Microsystems, and openoffice.org contributors". That is an open source project not ashamed of praising (instead of biting) the hand that feeds them. I am seeing a small but growing anti-Netscape movement in the Mozilla.org community, some extremists that wish that Netscape (the browser and the company) "would just go away". In my opinipon, these elements are of little value to Mozilla.org, and the development of corporate-sponsored open source projects. I'm frankly tired of all the "remove Netscape"-bashing. First it was Netscape and now AOL who has spent a lot of money developing Mozilla -- true, there's some amount of outside development, but the bulk of it has been funded by AOL for use in their Netscape product. The least you can do is lend a few kind words. Personally, I use the Netscape-branded browser (Netscape 7 is a very good browser on all three platforms) and I use their portal site. You should, too. All of this stupid Slashdot groupthink of "Mozilla good, Netscape bad!" completely ignores the fact that if there were no Netscape, there would be no Mozilla. Or the more likely scenario -- if AOL hadn't acquired Netscape, Netscape might have gone out of business without the backing of a big tech player, and most of you would be using Mozilla 0.2 right now. Give Netscape some credit, folks, even if it means just a small little word somewhere in the about box or in the docs. They're trying to be a good open source citizen. Don't disappoint them with a childish "take take take" attitude. Just my $0.02 Fernando

> Why the anti-Netscape bias? The first words here read "I really don't want to piss against Netscape", and were totally meant this way. I don't have anything against Netscape as a company. Ever heard of trademark law? I don't want to risk to be sued just for distributing a Mozilla binary. Having Beonex or whatever call itself "Netscape" in the browser UI is just embarrassing, also. More responses in bug 37877 comment 20. You should have seen Mozilla back when the bug was filed (more than 3 years ago!). The state today is relatively OK, left are only more or less nitpicks. Thanks to gerv and all others who helped with this bug, BTW. Oh, and while I am at it, thanks to Netscape for the huge general code contributions to Mozilla.

As stated in the last comment, this is 98% fixed. The remaining blockers are mostly void, wontfix or irrelevant. So, as the reporter, I am declaring this fixed. Thanks a lot to all the people who helped with that, including gerv and probably others I don't remember or are not aware of!