Closed
Bug 166807
Opened 22 years ago
Closed 15 years ago
derstandard.at - back button does not work on a frameset
Categories
(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: German, defect)
Tech Evangelism Graveyard
German
Tracking
(Not tracked)
RESOLVED
FIXED
People
(Reporter: Biesinger, Unassigned)
References
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Details
(Whiteboard: [bug248549notfixed])
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020904
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020904
if I open a new navigator window and click the "Impressum" link on the url above
(in the left frame), the back button still appears greyed out and can't be clicked.
Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1.open a new window
2.load the url from above
3.look at back button
Actual Results:
button is unclickable
Expected Results:
back should be clickable
Reporter | ||
Comment 1•22 years ago
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(why was this filed as unconfirmed? ah the joys of bugzilla helper... I'll take
the freedom to confirm it, as I intented to file this as NEW anyway)
deleting compreg.dat did not fix this issue.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
Comment 2•22 years ago
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*** Bug 166805 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 3•22 years ago
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*** Bug 166806 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 4•22 years ago
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Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/2002090311
Back button from Impressum page takes me back to page *before* startpage of
http://blitztarif.de/. Clearly, this is also wrong, just in a different way.
pi
Reporter | ||
Comment 5•22 years ago
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pi, I guess that that is the same basic problem.
did bugzilla/mozilla really submit this three times? arg.
That site uses some javascript (/frames.js) which may mess things up.
My JS knowledge is too rusty to offer any more help than that at this point.
Comment 7•22 years ago
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related to bug 162567?
Comment 8•22 years ago
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Another sites which shows this problem: http://derstandard.at/
This is one of the most important sites for Austria. Der Standard is one of the
important newspapers in the German speaking countries.
Is this top100 then?
pi
Comment 9•22 years ago
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djk, if you switch of JS it still happens. So this is not a factor.
pi
Comment 10•22 years ago
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This bug was in mozilla < 1.0 as is here again in 1.1 as I saw when I installed it.
Comment 11•22 years ago
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also see this using trunk build 2002091908 on win-xp pro.
+Starting from mozilla.org
+going to http://www.derstandard.at
+clicking on a story
+clicking on the back button --> I'm back to mozilla.org
Whiteboard: DUPE
Comment 12•22 years ago
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I wonder if this has something to do with redirections as I can reproduce this bug
by doing the following:
Go to <URL:http://www.verkkokauppa.com/> (a quite popular Finnish computer store),
click their logo with middle button to get the site on a new window. The location
bar shows first http://www.verkkokauppa.com/main.php, which then quickly changes
into http://www.verkkokauppa.com/ and now the back button (and the corresponding
menu entries) don't work normally anymore.
Comment 13•22 years ago
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Navigation in framesets is one of Mozilla´s biggest problems. I outlined a
solution at http://grassomusic.de/english/grassonaut.htm#navigation can inspire
you. A http://server.com/frameset.htm?framexxx=this.htm&frameyyy=that.htm -like
representation of frameset states would A) eradicate the worst bugs about
frameset navigation, history and bookmarking and B) be usable for adress field
urls, see my proposals on the linked page! Of course it would not solve all
frameset-related problems, there still exists DOM/Javascript and variables as
for example scroll position, frame focus and form entries.
Comment 14•22 years ago
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In today's trunk build, I can not reproduce the problems described at
http://blitztarif.de/ http://derstandard.at/ and http://www.verkkokauppa.com.
Shall hold on to this bug for a while for observation.
Comment 15•22 years ago
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I am also experiencing this bug when using the Zope Management Interface (Moz
1.1). It's inconsistent, though, and I haven't been able to reproduce it.
Comment 16•22 years ago
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persists with 1.2.1 on derstandard.at
Comment 17•22 years ago
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This bug really annoying bug has been in there now for quite some time now -
any workaround/fix highly appreciated. Makes for example surfing Austria's top
platform [derstandard.at] a pain to use with Mozilla.
Severity: normal → major
Comment 18•22 years ago
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I think this is the same bug as 171165.
Updated•22 years ago
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Target Milestone: --- → mozilla1.4beta
Comment 19•22 years ago
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Can someone check this again, it seems to work OK in recent nightlies.
Comment 20•22 years ago
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Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030117
Still fails for http://derstandard.at/. http://blitztarif.de/ WFM.
pi
Whiteboard: DUPE
Comment 21•22 years ago
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The simple issue of frame navigation as shown in bug 171165 and at
http://blitztarif.de/ seems to be fixed in the latest nightlies.
http://derstandard.at/ does something altogether more complicated. Each page
that is loaded contains a series of javascript checks and reloads to ensure that
the whole page is loaded in context even if you deep-link to a single frame.
This javascript page reloading seems to totally fox the history-tracking code.
Just for jollies, I looked in IE6 and back/forward navigation at
http://derstandard.at/ works OK
This may be related to bug 188488, where a much simpler case shows similar symptoms.
Comment 22•22 years ago
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Since Blitztarif is WFM. Also, I'm about to send a dupe.
Summary: back button does not work on a frameset → derstandard.at - back button does not work on a frameset
Comment 23•22 years ago
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*** Bug 183744 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 24•22 years ago
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It appears that http://www.derstandard.at uses iframes only (atleast the frames
in which content is loaded) and it also uses JS location.replace for most of
the subframe loads. Content loaded in iframes will not be recorded in session
history. Other links mentioned here http://blitztarif.de/ and
http://www.verkkokauppa.com/ sems to work fine.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 22 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Comment 25•22 years ago
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That sucks. I had a closer look at the Standard's web page. It is completely
built in JavaScript. The main page is built with
http://derstandard.at/js/site/FrameSet_v3.6.js. I understand that the second
part is used and hence iframes. Is there any way to see the actual HTML (after
it is written by JS) used to display the page?
Anyhow: Evangelism anybody?
pi
Comment 26•22 years ago
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DOM Inspector may be able to help and the mozilla evangelism sidebar
(http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/sidebars/) has a source generator which
will reformat the DOM as an indented pseudo-source view. Feel free to contact
them directly if you wish.
Comment 27•22 years ago
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hi,
need some help?
i can explain you, how we build the site....
Comment 28•22 years ago
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Well, I found it pretty hard to figure out what's actually going on. If I
understand http://derstandard.at/js/site/FrameSet_v3.6.js correctly, you use
iframes only for Mozilla. It would be easier to drop that and always deliver
frames. That would also make this script superfluous.
pi
Comment 29•22 years ago
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we thougth much about it, but with iframes it is much esier to make flawable
content, that is fixed in the window. and also cross-frame content.
we only need a new div, that is placed over the iframes in the top window.
the iframes are on all browsers exept navigator and opera.
so also konqueror can handle iframes (we also in contact with the KHTML
developers becouse of their problem with our site)
Comment 30•22 years ago
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*** Bug 201744 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 31•22 years ago
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Why is this bug WONTFIX? This afffects a major news paper and the webmaster
seems willing to work on this. Reopening and moving to Tech Evang.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Component: History: Session → Europe: West
Product: Browser → Tech Evangelism
Resolution: WONTFIX → ---
Target Milestone: mozilla1.4beta → ---
Version: Trunk → unspecified
Reporter | ||
Comment 32•22 years ago
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.
Assignee: radha → nitot
Status: REOPENED → NEW
QA Contact: claudius → brantgurganus2001
Comment 33•22 years ago
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We think, that the Iframes could be the reason on this bug. if the site has none
of them, it works very well. also @Mozilla 1.4a the bug is on every site. that
didnt happened at older versions. an them, the bug only appears to be sometimes.
Comment 34•22 years ago
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move...
Assignee: nitot → german
Component: Europe: West → German
QA Contact: brantgurganus2001 → german
Comment 35•21 years ago
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this bug is also present in Mozilla 1.5b (2003082704)
and why is this bug assigned to german?
Comment 36•21 years ago
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It is German because the components have been reorganized by language.
Comment 37•21 years ago
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The discussion in bug 148794 gives reasons for the current behavior.
No longer depends on: 94468
Comment 38•21 years ago
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Is there any progress in changing the web site of Der Standard? After all
browser specific versions are created anyhow.
pi
Comment 39•21 years ago
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its complicated to change a website, that a website doesnt use a Back
button....
i would really help the mozilla to resolve the bug. just tell me how.
but on this bug, we cannot change the site in next time.
Comment 40•21 years ago
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AFAICS in http://derstandard.at/js/site/FrameSet_v3.7.js there are mainly two
way how the main page is created, one using frames and the other one iframes.
I'd guess that it would be enough for this bug here to let Mozilla (and his
familiy members;-) have the frame version.
pi
Comment 41•21 years ago
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but the frame version is only a smaler one....
and changing the website is not a solution for this bug in mozilla or?
and i see much more sites, where it also doesnt work...
but i will díscuss this with the others.#
thanks for the input
Comment 42•21 years ago
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I think there is some confusion here. Some claim, it is not a bug, but a
feature. I don't really understand the reasoning. I think, that every click I
make forward should be undone with the back button. There is mentioning of bug
148794 which has to do with iframes and history. Maybe someone can try to
explain in easy words why this should not be a bug in Mozilla.
pi
Comment 43•21 years ago
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I don't feel that evangelism should try to get sites to change their content due
to bugs in Mozilla but instead should help educate sites on how to support
Mozilla using Standards *and* to help identify product bugs in Mozilla that
affect sites and that should be fixed.
It is not entirely clear that this bug is a dupe. The owner of bug
148794 is on family leave, is a netscape employee and can't be counted on to fix
this.
Who can take the lead in finding a developer who can find out a) what the real
cause of this problem is and b) assign it to someone who can and will fix it?
Comment 44•21 years ago
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Just for information:
In the current version (nightly build) the problem with the BACK-button reduces
to the issue, that you can not go back before the standard.at history. Within
it, the back/forward buttons are accessible.
Comment 45•21 years ago
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I still see the problem, that I go too far back. This is annoying. It would be
easy if there were just frames (since browser detection is used anyway, that
would be easy).
pi
Comment 46•21 years ago
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*** Bug 227727 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 47•21 years ago
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DerStandard.at did a relaunch yesterday. After a few hours, where Mozilla was
totally blocked (including the contact page!), it now works again with no change
to the problem in question.
pi
Comment 48•21 years ago
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Still no progress. It is really annoying.
pi
Comment 49•21 years ago
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@pi:
thats true. as workaround you can use the navigation controls of the web page.
they work very well at derstandard.at because of the great site structure.
Comment 50•21 years ago
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setting blocking1.8a2 ?
this is really the last bug thats preventing me from deploying a Mozilla
Browser. DerStandard.at is a really important page for us here and i simply cant
deploy a browser that doesnt work on this page.
btw: dont you think that this bug causes a potential dataloss? since i'm no
longer able to go back a page where i may have written something in a form
Flags: blocking1.8a2?
Comment 51•21 years ago
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Mathias, this is an evangelism bug and as such the blocking of a milestone has
no real effect since evangelism bugs are about convincing a web site to change
their content.
I looked over this bug and several that were suggested as the root cause but the
main thing that stands out is Radha's comment "Content loaded in iframes will
not be recorded in session history." in comment 24.
Perhaps jst can provide the necessary illumination.
Comment 52•21 years ago
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it may be an evang. bug, but it still need to be fixed. clicking on a link
should cause an entry in the browser history. IMO it shouldnt matter if its an
obscure javascript/iframe that does the work or just a plain a href.
so IMHO it would be a browser bug and should be fixed by mozilla. Waiting for
others to change their website is just as hopeless as dropping the quirks mode
becuase everyone should just use Standard (X)HTML
Comment 53•21 years ago
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Mathias, my point is that *this bug report is an evangelism bug report and will
not result in any changes to the browser*. If there is a real product bug here,
then it needs to be filed as such so an engineer will be aware of it and fix it.
Hence, my asking jst for his opinion.
Comment 54•21 years ago
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sorry, i still havent figured out all those bugzilla details, but this was the
only bug i've found (all other bugs related to derstandard.at are dupes of this
one so i thought it'd be a good idea if i post it here)
Removing the blocking1.8a2 ? again (and sorry for spaming)
Flags: blocking1.8a2?
Comment 55•21 years ago
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*** Bug 252181 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 56•20 years ago
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[bug248549notfixed]
Updated•20 years ago
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Whiteboard: [bug248549notfixed]
Comment 57•20 years ago
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so why does it work fine sometimes? if this would be an evangelism bug it should
permanently reoccur. but if you're surfing on this site for a while the browser
history is completely accessible via back/forward. just not at the beginning.
Comment 58•20 years ago
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ok, since i think this is an actual Mozilla Bug and not an Evang. stuff, i've
filed a new tech. Bug 257498 and i hope someone can fix this
Comment 59•20 years ago
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just FYI derstandard.at added some Javascript code to work around this bug
see http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=1941442 (german only)
Comment 60•15 years ago
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recently derstandard.at stopped using frames, so the evangelism issue should be done.
Comment 61•15 years ago
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OK
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 22 years ago → 15 years ago
Resolution: --- → WORKSFORME
Updated•15 years ago
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Resolution: WORKSFORME → FIXED
Updated•10 years ago
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Product: Tech Evangelism → Tech Evangelism Graveyard
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