User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030212 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030212 See screenshot at: http://web.mit.edu/jamous/www/mathml/mozilla1.3b.gif on MathML torture test (see URL above), tests 5, 8, 13, 16, 18, 19, 21, and 22 are broken. This problem has happened in all the Mozilla versions since 1.3 beta. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. get Mozilla version 1.3 beta or any version later 2. go to the MathML torture test at: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/demo/texvsmml.xhtml Actual Results: screenshot at: http://web.mit.edu/jamous/www/mathml/mozilla1.3b.gif Expected Results: give a MathML rendering at least as good as the ones obtained with versions 1.3a and earlier -- see following screenshot with Mozilla 1.3a: http://web.mit.edu/jamous/www/mathml/mozilla1.3a.gif This bug showed up between versions 1.3 alpha and 1.3 beta.

1.3a was Dec 13 2002, and 1.3b was Feb 10 2003. Here are the checkins in gfx/src/mac between 1.3a and 1.3b: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=all&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=mozilla%2Fgfx%2Fsrc%2Fmac&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=12%2F13%2F2002&maxdate=02%2F10%2F2003&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot Observation: Nothing appears to me as suspicious with respect to math fonts. Here are the checkins in layout/mathml between 1.3a and 1.3b: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=all&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=mozilla%2Flayout%2Fmathml&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=12%2F13%2F2002&maxdate=02%2F10%2F2003&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot Observation: Nothing appears to me as suspicious with respect to math fonts, except perhaps bug 191529 -- but this was cross-platform. Here are all the checkins between 1.3a and 1.3b: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=MozillaTinderboxAll&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=2002-12-13+08%3A00&maxdate=2003-02-10+10%3A00&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot Observation: There is the complete list of checkins... but nothing hits at the face as the culprit. I wonder however if it isn't an upshot of alecf's "mac/unix side of fix for bug 188251". Cc:ing some mac folks build their own debug builds of mozilla. Help to further narrow the problem will be appreciated.

> Cc:ing some mac folks build their own debug builds of mozilla. ^ who

Daniel, is the bug still there with the latest nightly build? I am curious if the patch for bug 120401 has had any unexpected effect here.

(In reply to comment #3) > Daniel, is the bug still there with the latest nightly build? I am curious if > the patch for bug 120401 has had any unexpected effect here. Hi Roger, yes the bug is still there unfortunately (both on 1.8a and 1.7.2).

*** Bug 257977 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Bug is even worse with recent 1.8b2 nightlies. Square-root sign sometimes completely disappears (in expressions where you have <msqrt>...<mfrac>...</mfrac>...</msqrt>). Here's a page where you can see both badly-rendered and disappearing square-root signs: http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/blog/archives/000522.html If I get the chance, I'll prepare a reduction.

I'm now using Firefox 1.5b. Comparison of "Contents/MacOS/res/fonts/" between Firefox and Mozilla v1.3a shows that the file "fontEncoding.properties" is missing in Firefox. I simply copied that from Mozilla v1.3a. Then my Firefox renders the "Torture Test" page as fine as Mozilla v1.3a. Did something go wrong in the "packaging" process?

> Did something go wrong in the "packaging" process? Good catch... I can't believe that all this pain that was placed on MathML Mac users was due to a poor packaging. It can be very damaging (and elusive too), indeed. See also bug 228992 on non-Mac platforms.

Make that bug 228922 instead.

Mac folks, I hope you guys can realise the *urgency* of this patch and give it a try (I cannot test it it myself since I don't have a Mac build environment). It will be (and has been) ridiculous to miss out on Firefox 1.5 due to a mere packaging issue. Also important, watch out in bug 190307 too. I hope such an omission doesn't come back to bite us ever again in Camino as well.

I can partially confirm YAMASHITA Makoto's experience. I installed latest nightly firefox binary (Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv: 1.9a1) Gecko/20050925 Firefox/1.6a1), copied the file "fontEncoding.properties" from mozilla 1.2.1 (the 1.3 alpha binary seemed to be missing?) into the appropriate location, ran the font installer as per http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/fonts/, and bingo, the torture test looks much better. e.g. square root signs are rendered decently. However, still some problems: I get a popup message about missing fonts (CMSY10, CMEX10, Symbol), and some of the tests don't look great, e.g. #19 and #22 the braces are hugely cropped, all the minus signs are missing in #9, generally speaking the italicised lowercase greek letters look weird, and sometimes whole rows go missing if I scroll too fast. I subsequently tried installing the truetype computer modern fonts (copied them into my ~/Library/ Fonts folder), and lots of things got broken... now it only complains that "Symbol" is missing, but all the vertical bars are broken (rendered as little boxes) e.g. in #14, #24, and all the spacing is starting to look like "HTML equations". Please excuse me for not having any idea how this whole fonts thing works. I hope this info is helpful.

Looks like bsmedberg broke this.

Here is a jpeg of the mathml torture test on a build of Firefox from 9/26/05 with the "tentative patch" applied. Looks better, but not perfect. See the black boxes in row 13.

Checked-in. Josh, did you install the fonts at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/fonts/ ? This bug was about the worse rendering due to Mathematica fonts. There is a "sister" bug about the worse rendering due to TeX fonts. That's bug 161137. I am adding a dependency for ease of cross-link between the two.

When I did my test, I had not installed any fonts that did not come with Mac OS X.

Looks like this didn't get landed on the branch. rbs - can you do that?

Comment on attachment 197388 [details] [diff] [review] tentative patch Asking approval for the 1.8 branch.

Checked in the 1.8 branch.

I got a feedback saying that fontEnconding.properties wasn't copied in the res/font directory: "It is in the gfx/src/mac directory (which is where the patched gfxmac.pkg file is), just the default build command [make -f client.mk] doesn't link it to the dist/ build directory. That is why I'm assuming I'm building it wrong." Any helpful clues?

I can't build Firefox on my own so this may be irrelevant, but gfx/src/gtk/Makefile.in and gfx/src/windows/Makefile.in have lines like libs:: fontEncoding.properties $(INSTALL) $^ $(DIST)/bin/res/fonts install:: fontEncoding.properties $(INSTALL) $^ $(DESTDIR)$(mozappdir)/res/fonts that gfx/src/mac/Makefile.in does not have. Corresponding location in gfx/src/mac/Makefile.in is around the line 117?

yeah, that's it. I'll upload a patch

jshin, as I was poking around, I noted that fontNameMap.properties isn't packaged too on Windows...

Thanks. I filed bug 310654 for that

Comment on attachment 198107 [details] [diff] [review] fix Makefile.in please get this in ASAP. Thanks.

landed on the trunk and 1.8 branch

With Firefox Beta 2 this seems to be working, but I still get the missing fonts (CMSY10, CMEX10, Symbol) dialog, which is strange since everything is displayed nicely (from what I can tell). Is this a different bug?

> which is strange since everything is displayed nicely It is not strange because just like the letter "a" can be found in several fonts, so too can the glyphs from the missing fonts found in the Mathematica fonts. So, no worries. You are not missing anything (on the Mac). You can get rid of that dialog with a pref. The issue is subjective. Since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some people _prefer_ (and expect...) the look & feel of TeX fonts. Others prefer Mathematica fonts. Others Don't Care and want things to Just Work (tm). While those leaving on the bleeding edge are eagerly awaiting the STIX fonts (www.stixfonts.org). Here are screenshots of a same page rendered with different stretchy font settings. These will give you a precise idea why it is academical/subjective, but still itchy enough for some people to insist on one or the other, just like one person might prefer Times while another prefers Verdana. That's life. Default screenshot (if you have all of the fonts...) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=63751 Mathematica screenshot (if you set the pref to use Mathematica fonts...) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=63770 TeX screenshot (if you set the pref to use TeX fonts...) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=63771 For how to set the pref, see the section "Customize the fonts used for stretchy characters" at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/fonts/ -------- BTW, there has been a follow-up to fixup the Mac/Mathematica experience and avoid holes in stretchy characters under certain font sizes. I just fixed that in bug 311046. ------- Another BTW. I got a feedback from a happy user asking to pass this message along: <quote> You have made my day! There is now at least one cross-platform web browser that supports MathML. Please pass on my thanks for all those involved in resolving the problem [this bug 228804]. Best wishes, Ian Ferris Food and Environmental Protection Section Joint FAO/IAEA Division of Nuclear Techniques in Food and Agriculture P.O.Box 100, Wagramer Strasse 5 A-1400 Vienna, Austria, European Union WWW: http://eLearning.iaea.org/ATutor/ http://www-infocris.iaea.org/ http://www-naweb.iaea.org/nafa/index.html </quote>

I am fully convinced yet... I have an issue with the following saved html: http://klein.activemath.org/~paul/tmp/mathml-bothered-by-activemath-css/sin1x_with_activemath_css.xhtml On Linux, it's showing fine on both firefox 1.5-beta-2 and 1.0.2: one indeed sees a case definition. On MacOSX, it's showing wrong on firefox 1.5-beta-2: the case definition is showing a kind of enormous blank which is covering much of the rest of the text... I have the following fonts: Math fonts for Mathematica 4.0 (I wanted 4.1 or 4.2 but they are only available as .exe installers and cabextract can't extract them so I am limited to what MIT installer provides, version 4.0). As well, I have cmex10.ttf, cmmi10.tff, cmr10.ttf, and cmsy10.ttf. Another glitch I noted is that some round brackets are turned into "implies" and absolute-values are made as white-black-bordered-rectangles. I could provide screen shots. paul

Just to be sure, try this pref to keep TeX fonts out of the way because they cause problems on the Mac (c.f. bug 161137): user_pref("font.mathfont-family", "Math1, Math2, Math4"); Also try a latest nightly build that has the fix of bug 311046 (Firefox 1.5b2 suffers from this bug).

Even safer (on the Mac). To stay clear of bug 161137, which remains mysterious so far, you might as well not install the TeX fonts at all. But if you absolutely need them for other Mac applications (such as OzTeX or Textures), you should therefore stop them from messing the MathML by removing the TeX font names from the "font-family" property of the "math" element in mathml.css, in addition to setting the font.mathfont-family pref above... The "font-family" CSS declaration is for normal (i.e., non stretchy) situations whereas the font.mathfont-family pref is for stretchy characters. So the big picture here is to exclude TeX fonts from all situations (no re-compilation is involved and so it can be advertised to end-users if it works). Let me know if it works indeed.

Well, indeed, the nightly of today fixes the issues that appeared there with the case-definition mtable. I still see some issues with the brackets being turned into Rightarrow, Leftarrow and the overall impression that the font used in MathML is slightly lower than the font used in the rest of the text. This with or without the line prefs.js. I'll have to report back on this. paul