I realize the shortcuts are not enabled yet (M14), but I have noticed that they will be ctl-] & ctl-[ for "back" and "forward". I think they should be the same as in netscape, i.e. alt-> and alt-< for forward and back, respectively. The change seems arbitrary, and the [ & ] keys are much further of a reach on the keyboard from the alt key. I think the alt-arrow keys are also used in M$ IE, so a lot of users will be forced to change if this new scheme is implemented.

Sarah, did you have a bug like this that was already fixed?

yes...and it was recently fixed... but cannot seem to find it after searching a bit --claudius, d'you remember the bug number? if so, we can dup this one. thx!

28904?

yup, that one! :-) *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 28904 ***

Verified dupe. thanks.

Er, uh, I had not even noticed the direction mismatch. I was commenting that the mapping of those functions should be to the cursor (arrow) keys instead of the bracket keys, in order to operate like all the other browsers I have used. I have seen several comments on /. which agree. It matters to people who use keyboard shortcuts because of RSI, etc. Mousers don't care.

Shuang?

just to set the record straight. 4.x used the arrows on Linux and Win, and used the brackets on Mac. So it looks like Seamonkey 'borrowed' the mac shortcut, it wasn't just pulled out of thin air. Changing summary so as not to confuse with that other bug anymore. this basically amounts to and RFE, no? Confirming this bug as it is valid.

reassign it to german.

QA Assigning non-confidential New/Assigned User Interface: Design Feedback bugs to Matthew Thomas (mpt@mailandnews.com). Matthew Thomas is now the QA owner for the User Interface: Design Feedback component. (Bugs that involve UI issues in the Netscape-branded Mozilla browser should continue be QA assigned to elig@netscape.com.)

MacOS 4.x also uses Cmd+Left/Right for Back/Forward -- which is technically misappropriating Apple-reserved key combinations, but it seems to work. So `Seamonkey "borrowed" the mac shortcut' should be `Seamonkey "borrowed" *one of* the Mac shortcuts'. But more to the point, [ and ] aren't localization-safe, so you shouldn't use them in keyboard shortcuts. See bug 36048.

set to M18 so we can have a date for conclution. German still should be the owner of the bug till he gives solution. So after PR2 then.

*** Bug 37655 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

37655 was marked [nsbeta2+] 6/1 and I just marked it a dupe of this, so I'd like to mark this bug with [nsbeta2+] 6/1 If someone decides to remove these flags, I think it should get relnotes.

removing nsbeta2+ designation since I don't believe 37655 to be a dup of this

Nominating nsbeta3. The [ and ] keys aren't on all (int'l) keyboards (see bug 28904), and they aren't at all convenient on some US ones (a Kinesis, where they're in the top corners (one in each), or the Dvorak layout, where they're where - and ] are).

adding kurt to cc list due to his comment in bug 28904. matthew, d'you want to keep this bug here, or move over to the Keyboard Navigation component?

Seems perfectly straightforward to me -- this is one of the things Slashdot users have been complaining about the most after the release of each milestone -- but, as always, it's not my decision. Putting in Keyboard Navigation component, QA to Sarah, CCing Keyboard Navigation component owner so he can CC the relevant programmer ... but leaving as assigned to German, given that `German still should be the owner of the bug till he gives solution'.

I believe the original motivation for this old shortcut was to enable users with smll keybaords (e.g portables) which do *not* have arrow keys to have keyboard access to this navigation. I agree so that the mapping would be much clearer using the arrow keys and if we assume that the majority of users today have extended kbs than this change is a good thing. I also agree with the comments on localized keyboards that do not have that advantagous mapping for "[" and "]" assinging to don's team for now as this seems its browser related.

I don't know of many laptop keyboards these days that don't have arrow keys. Number pads, sure.

ben fixed this a couple of days ago...

German is the Spec updated? if so, please enter the url here and update the status, thank you.

I'd love to verify this, but I can't. Running the 2000080120 build on NT4, the Alt+Left and Alt+Right shortcut keys work, but the menu items have "Alt+" as the shortcut key. This is for the Go > Back, Forward, and Home menu items. All other menu items seem to display the proper shortcut key, so I think that this is a problem that's specific to this bug. I'm going to re-open this. Someone bitch at me if I did a Bad Thing.

i presume the supposed fixes went into the trunk, as i don't see 'em with today's bits. (won't have a chance to vrfy Dean's observation as i'm immersed with branch joy this week.)

I commented on that at the end of bug 46803, and Ben responded: "That's a separate bug. The menu code should be reading the key binding specified in its key attribute and filling the accelerator portion appropriately. Sounds like it's not doing it for special keys like VK_HOME. Anyhow, after my little mishap with an entity on linux last night, I've finally got this all working... so closing again." Since that seems like it might be a more general keybinding issue, and this bug has already been littered with other comments, I'm going to split that off as a separate bug.

So really, this and bug 46803 are one and the same. Anyone know if there's a bug filed on what Ben mentioned?

Duh. Helps if I read sairuh's comment. Verified using 2000080120 on NT. Somone with Mac and Linux want to verify?

bug 41325 blocks verification on the mac. my wm [afterstep] keybindings are clobbering the shortcuts on linux. timeless, would you be able to vrfy this?

vrfy ctrl+left and ctrl+right work on solaris intel [cvs build from yesterday]. Go still says 'ctrl+' because of bug 47426. [Adding dependency] German I still want this bug to have the url for the spec so I can verify that the spec says arrows instead of brackets.