some carry overs from 3.0a1 bug 429235 rxs11m: * "In line with comment #35, the system requirements appear somewhat outdated. Whatever is specified there as "minimum" one should expect that it will work... did anybody try if 3.0a1 would run on a Pentium 233 MHz with 64 MB RAM running Win2k? Similar for the other platforms, also with respect to the library/package requirements on Linux." davida: * "I think for a2 we should address the problem that as dmose said, the most important bits are way too hidden. I'd like to change the format of release notes to make them feel less like CYA and actually useful (and likely to be read!)" * sysreqs -- I'm going to defer until the Fx3 folks figure out what they want to do there, and we can riff off of that. I'm not sure where/what bug FF3 system requirements got discussed but here are the results: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements.html // http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements-v3.html I can look at the 64MB requirement (which is unchanged from FFv2) for win2k. For XP and VISTA of course 64MB is absurd - 64MB sounds more like the min requirement for win9x.

When in doubt, trust firefox:)

not including non-mailnews components ... RFE fixed betwixt 2008-04-24 and 2008-07-08 http://tinyurl.com/5nt6vc non-RFE* fixed betwixt 2008-04-24 and 2008-07-08 http://tinyurl.com/55qt36 * including trunk regressions a1 relnotes http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/3.0a1/releasenotes/

http://tinyurl.com/5h3mjo is better query (updated for QMO reorg)

http://tinyurl.com/6eh2or (nix comment 3 = tinyurl is misbehaving)

output of jcranmer's bonsai query shipped into excel green=solid relnote candidate, yellow=maybe entire list should probably be seen by a second set of eyes

jcranmer's query http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=SeaMonkeyAll&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=mozilla%2Fmail%2C+mozilla%2Fmailnews&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=2008-05-02+00%3A00%3A00&maxdate=2008-07-15+23%3A59%3A59&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot bugs from litmus test result thus far, for expediency (not saying any are worthy of relnote): * Bug 449482 (unconfirmed) – Changing draft folder from an Imap folder to a local folder has no effect (testresult 146184) * "The installer does not have a manifest, and fails to run without administrator privileges. Workaround is simple, force start as administrator. The installer patch in bug 404609 [checked in 2008-08-05 18:45:54 PDT] should fix this." (testresult 146184) locales: * de is almost at a complete smoketest * es-ES has only one report, and it FAILs (main window doesn't have UI elements; account config doesn't update panels properly) Ricardo Palomares Linux * PASS spot checks: nb-NO, zh-CN, ru, fr * other locales are untested, so not know whether they work this weekend will put these and more on http://wiki.mozilla.org/QA/Thunderbird3/TestResults/Alpha2

(In reply to comment #6) > Created an attachment (id=332974) [details] > sorted by bug#(nominally) within relnote status > The attachment is unusable as is without pulling the Excel 2003 Viewer and the Office 2007 format converter from MS that enables the viewer to read this attachment. Use of the more universal *.csv format would be more X-platform.

http://messaging-trunk.localgho.st/en-US/thunderbird/3.0a2/releasenotes/ has my current draft. username: messaging pw: m355

BTW, I'm aware that this is incredibly late for any kind of l10n of these release notes. I'll comment on that in bug 448147.

I'd love feedback on these release notes. I'd like to push them out monday, assuming everything goes well. I'll be somewhat offline, so won't be making checkins until sunday night most likely.

Nits: Date needs to stay on Radar for actual release day. The Vista System requirements copied from MS Vista site to install and run. " If you purchased a PC in the last two years, chances are good that you can run Windows Vista. To install and run the core functionality of Windows Vista, you need: An 800 MHz processor 512 MB of RAM A 20 GB hard drive with 15 GB of free space" FWIW, Vista stores Install History data per Install, Shredder is: C:\Users\xxxxxx\AppData\Local\Thunderbird\Mozilla Shredder If this is considered relevant to the Remove section notes. In Known issues: * Ensure extensions come from a secure server using the HTTPS protocol or else they will fail to install. Revise to read: * Ensure extensions come from a secure server using the HTTPS protocol if they are not Digitaly Signed, or else they will fail to install. FAQ 2. Update Shredder 1 to read 2. New Idea, consider use of a portion of the spreadsheet, attachment (id=333007) as a supplemental page for the release notes to highlight items not yet fully implemented. Topics like migration to toolkit may be of interest to 3rd Party developers.

Rats, the line breaks disappeared. Might have been a side effect of the mid-air collision with Comment 12 when I tried to commit comment 13.

Just a little nit: There is an extra bullet with no text in the New Features section. Also, it might be prudent to add that "Newsgroup-specific filters are not accessible from UI" (bug 441666).

More nit: The top HTML header should show Shredder Alpha 2 as well. I'll post a changelog on The Rumbling Edge soon -- but based on queries on the bz database though and not on bonsai. Pls pick whatever seems better then.

(In reply to comment #16) > More nit: The top HTML header should show Shredder Alpha 2 as well. > The HTML <Title> meta tag is what I think Gary was commenting on.

It also still points to Rumbling Edge page of a1 and to a source directory of 3.0a12source/ instead of 3.0a2/source/

In Other Features, "Replies quote only selected text" sounds as if it was the only way to quote now. Maybe less absolute "Replies allow to quote only selected text". Or, more general, "Improved quoting options in replies" to cover also other bugs addressing replies, unless that phrase is too fuzzy then. Given bug 431819 comment 153 and following, is the reference to that bug in Known Issues still necessary after the updated patch was checked in?

(In reply to comment #14) > Rats, the line breaks disappeared. Might have been a side effect of the mid-air > collision with Comment 12 when I tried to commit comment 13. > I bugged my own Fx by adding a pre whitespace:normal style in my userContent.css. Commented it out and a restart, now newlines work again.

System requirements on Linux: > I'm not sure where/what bug FF3 system requirements got discussed but here are > the results: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements.html // > http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements-v3.html The first link is more up-to-date as it seems: * Starting on a machine with GTK 2.8 shows a message box 2.10 is required; * won't start with libstdc++.so.5, requires libstdc++.so.6 to be present. Those had a 2.6 kernel, thus I think that no distribution based on a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel comes with the necessary libraries.

Alpha 2 changelog out -- http://www.rumblingedge.com/2008/08/10/shredder-alpha-2-released/ -- full list shows approximately 264 fixes. Based on queries on bugzilla fixes from 2008-05-01 03:00 to 2008-07-14 12:00, as listed in https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird3.0a1:BuildNotes and https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Thunderbird_3.0a2:BuildNotes

Web page updated on staging site.

No Nits from me.

System requirements don't have comment #13 or comment #21 included. Yet to come or deferred for later releases?

rsx11m.pub: I didn't understand the specific changes requested for the Vista change in comment #13. I don't want to put in the requirements for each OS, frankly. I'm going to continue the tradition of deferring to Fx3 for now until there's a specific reason for an exception. Comment #21 was omitted by mistake. Thanks for catching it. sleet:production davida$ svn ci -m "updating sysreqs for linux" Sending production/en-US/thunderbird/system-requirements/index.php Transmitting file data . Committed revision 17605.

I quoted from the MS Windows Vista pages that the OS has requirements 4 times higher than those cited for Mozilla products. Definitely any system that can run Vista is more than adequate for Tb or Fx. It is clearer now that this is not considered significant from the products view point.

errata highlights "Known issues". these bugs are now marked fixed... "Message sending will now fail if "Use User Name and Password" was checked in the SMTP server settings, even though the server does not offer any authentication mechanism (Bug 311657)" "If using SSL client authentication, Thunderbird will ask for confirmation too often. See workaround in bug 431819, comment 48." [Bug 432088 still open] [Bug 429929 still open] "Where's the Shredder Alpha 2 source code?" still references cvs for some reason there is no blank line before the bullet point "If you encounter strange problems"

(In reply to comment #28) > "Where's the Shredder Alpha 2 source code?" still references cvs Err, that's because Shredder Alpha 2 source code *is* in cvs.

(In reply to comment #28) > errata highlights > > "Known issues". these bugs are now marked fixed... > [Bug 429929 still open] This one is now fixed as well...

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/ locales: Portuguese links to lang=pt-PT for Windows only, Mac and Linux have en-US. All others seem to be correct.

Thanks for all those. got rid of old known issues and fixed portuguese links in Sending production/en-US/thunderbird/3.0a2/releasenotes/index.php Sending production/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/index.php Transmitting file data .. Committed revision 17630. Will file another bug to get another push out.

(In reply to comment #31) > http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/ locales: > Portuguese links to lang=pt-PT for Windows only, Mac and Linux have en-US. > All others seem to be correct. rsx11m/Ronald - did you initiate install of each of these? or did you just check the link? I ran install to the first screen of each of the windows locales and all look good.

Wayne, I only checked the download links but didn't install either of those (using the ZIP versions myself). BTW: Is 3.0a2 still in QA status or officially released now, as indicated by the Releases page on the Wiki? The www.mozillamessaging.com web site provides download links, but the News still state "First Alpha of Next version of Thunderbird available" as the most recent entry (nothing on Alpha 2).

(In reply to comment #33) > (In reply to comment #31) > > http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/ locales: > > Portuguese links to lang=pt-PT for Windows only, Mac and Linux have en-US. > > All others seem to be correct. > > rsx11m/Ronald - did you initiate install of each of these? or did you just > check the link? > > I ran install to the first screen of each of the windows locales and all look > good. > Sorry, never considered checking an L10N build.

Only linux remains unchecked from http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/ Mac is done - Jay Moran started installs of all the Mac links "I don't actually speak these languages... but I can say hey all look different, and the couple that I could identify (German, English, French, Korean, Russian, and Chinese) were all correct....for the others, I can attest they were different from previous ones... but not sure they were the correct ones. There was no easy identifier of the language I could find... which would be helpful."

(In reply to comment #32) > Will file another bug to get another push out. David, is there anything left to do?

I need to push out the announcement for /news, as well as the blog posts & emaisl to announce, which i thought i'd done last week =(

new announcement in news section and home page should be visible on staging site in a few minutes.

/releasenotes/ ??Released: August 12, 2008

Yes, release date is missing for both Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 on the News pages. Also, the path to the news entry should probably end in 2008-08-13-01 rather than 2008-07-13-01.

"Installing Shredder ..." seems not quite right. Doesn't shredder install by default in ...\shredder ? Suggestion (at the same time splitting the two points, data and software, into separate paragraphs) ... Users are highly encouraged to install Shredder Alpha 2 in a non-Thunderbird folder (on Windows, this is done using Custom Install). Otherwise, installing Shredder Alpha 2 will overwrite your existing installation of Thunderbird on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. Users are encouraged to backup profile data before installing Shredder Alpha 2. You will not lose messages or address books during installation, but some extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are made available.

(In reply to comment #42) > "Installing Shredder ..." seems not quite right. Doesn't shredder install by > default in ...\shredder ? For the Alpha2 build (I didn't verify Alpha1) on the Mac it is called Thunderbird.app and the installer folder puts an "Applications" shortcut there as well. This particular setup would tend to have most folks just move Thunderbird.app to the Applications folder and overwrite their existing Thunderbird installation. Hopefully most folks would just install into a different folder in their user directory or the light, or rename Thunderbird.app to Shredder.app before moving it in. On the nightly builds, they are built as Shredder.app already for the last couple of months.

One more nit on the web site: July 13 (not August) is listed as news-release date on http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/news/archives/

I think this can be resolved as fixed now. If there's any significant issues outstanding, please file them in separate bugs.