Closed
Bug 99412
Opened 23 years ago
Closed 23 years ago
Please change the unix.js min font size default settings
Categories
(Core :: Internationalization, defect)
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mozilla0.9.5
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(Reporter: yohgaki, Assigned: bstell)
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(Keywords: intl)
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I view web pages uses Japanese encoding. Small font will not be scaled, since unix.js specifies too *large* font size for "min font size" pref("font.min-size.variable.ja", 16); pref("font.min-size.fixed.ja", 16); Could you change min-size default from 16 to 8? pref("font.min-size.variable.ja", 8); pref("font.min-size.fixed.ja", 8); Many Japanese users are spending hours to find out what's wrong with small fonts, I think. Windows version scales small font properly. Why not for UNIX version?(Page doesn't look nice with font.min-size.*=16 at all, also)
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Comment 1•23 years ago
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FYI: This report is related to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30910
Comment 2•23 years ago
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->i18n?
Assignee: sgehani → yokoyama
Component: Preferences → Internationalization
QA Contact: sairuh → andreasb
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Comment 3•23 years ago
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oh boy, what a sore spot you have hit. I have tried several times to lower this number only to be forced to raise it again due to lack of Japanese fonts on our reference system, Redhat 6.2J. Redhat 6.2J has 1) a nice Japanese with a small (~10px) and medium size but no large size. 2) a nice Japanese with a medium (~16 px) and larges sizes but no smaller sizes. If we allow smaller sizes we have the following problems: A user can choose the smaller fonts and everything will look great except that large text such as titles on web pages will bitmap scale and looks absolutely *horrible*. Thus many users end up picking the larger font. If the CSS specs a small font (say 10 px) and the user has selected the larger font the glyph fill-in code will end up putting the 16 px glyphs in line that only has space for 10 px and the chars will overlap with the text above and below. Bug 99010 (aka: bug 71486) addresses this but will not be in for a while. At this point I am seriously considering supplying fonts as part of the installation so we are not hobbled by lack of fonts and can set this lower. related bugs: bug 89520, bug 96535 If your system has a better selection of Japanese fonts please feel to change this number on your system.
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Comment 4•23 years ago
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Comment 5•23 years ago
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Thanks for the detailed explainations and sorry for hitting the sore spot. I understand this issue much better now. It's not trivial to change the setting after all. I'm using distribution called Kondara 2.0 (http://www.kondara.org/) and RedHat 7.x currently. RedHat6.2J has poor Japanese support compare to recent distributions... Newer distributions, which have better truetype font support, have other problems. Just for your information, I attached the screenshot of a test page. (Mozilla 0.9.4+ with default font setting under Kondara-2.0) RedHat 7.1.0 also displays the page like this with default settings, IIRC. Please feel free to change status to "won't fix" or whatever you feel it's appropriate.
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Comment 6•23 years ago
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Comment 7•23 years ago
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Oops, sorry. I verified the test page with RedHat 7.1.0J. It displays acceptable page with defualt settings. Font are a little larger than it should be as expected. (Size 16 where 8pt is specified in CSS)
Comment 8•23 years ago
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I understand changing min font in unix.js can not solve the problem that bold glyphs become bigger. Ohgaki-san, can you try again after deleting your ~/.mozilla and after setting unix.js? I'm thinking you have changed font preferences. I'm seeing this on several distribution e.g. Vine and Kondara. Because they're providing jis-fixed-bold fonts but it's only for 24 point. [katakai@are ~]$ xlsfonts -fn "-jis-fixed-bold-*" -jis-fixed-bold-i-normal--24-230-75-75-c-240-jisx0208.1983-0 -jis-fixed-bold-r-normal--24-230-75-75-c-240-jisx0208.1983-0 [katakai@are ~]$ It seems that Mozilla looks for bold font as "-jis-fixed-bold-..." but it matches "-jis-fixed-bold-r-normal--24-230-75-75-c-240-jisx0208.1983-0" and draws glyphs with the fonts. Brian, do you think this is a bug? I agree with Brian, which is it's not possible to adjust font setting for all distributions, users and distributors can change the setting for Mozilla to run with proper fonts on thier systems. But we should provide better FAQ for japanese users on www.mozilla.org.
Updated•23 years ago
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Comment 9•23 years ago
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Ohgaki-san: > Please feel free to change status to "won't fix" or whatever you feel it's > appropriate. This is a serious problem. I would prefer to leave this open even if I cannot fix it right not Katakai-san: > Mozilla looks for bold font as "-jis-fixed-bold-..." but it matches > "-jis-fixed-bold-r-normal--24-230-75-75-c-240-jisx0208.1983-0" I do not understand how this might be considered a bug. Is it that the desired size is wrong?
Assignee: yokoyama → bstell
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Comment 11•23 years ago
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Ftang wants to implement bug 90813, "anti-aliased bitmap scaling", which would allow us to scale the limited fonts and then we could reduce the min-size.
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
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Comment 12•23 years ago
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> ------- Additional Comments From katakai@japan.sun.com 2001-09-12 23:17 ----- -- > I understand changing min font in unix.js can not solve the problem that > bold glyphs become bigger. > > Ohgaki-san, can you try again after deleting your ~/.mozilla and after > setting unix.js? I'm thinking you have changed font preferences. Katakai-san. I've changed default font preferences for Mozilla-0.9.3, since I use it as my primary browser. I'm using TrueType font (Komachi-gothic) for Japanese characters. I created new user and tried it on Kondara-2.0/Mozilla-0.9.4+ with default font settings (X and Mozilla). The result is the same. I get much larger font than it should be. It seems "-jis-fixed-bold-r-normal--24-230-75-75-c-240- jisx0208.1983-0" is used as you mentioned. > I agree with Brian, which is it's not possible to adjust font setting > for all distributions, users and distributors can change the setting > for Mozilla to run with proper fonts on thier systems. But we should > provide better FAQ for japanese users on www.mozilla.org. +1
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Comment 13•23 years ago
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We are still struggling with this problem. It does not look like we will be able to supply fonts with the browser in any release coming out soon. Font aliasing really helps but it requires the user to actively do extra steps and have installer / root priviledge. It does not looks like we will be able to do this automatically in any release coming out soon. Our current thinking is that making the minimum font size 16 pixels as a way to avoid pixel overlap makes the all the UI too large. This makes the browser technically "correct" but looks very poor. Perhaps we should lower the number and allow the smaller fonts. The Japanese UI will look much better. Of course nothing in the current releases will prevent a user from selecting a font that may cause glyphs to overlap. The user has several ways to workaround this: select a font that has smaller sizes increase the "Text Size" (zoom) select a larger font size advanced: make a font alias that combines several font types into one logical font advanced: add more Japanese fonts The question is: Will pixel overlap happen a lot or a little?
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Updated•23 years ago
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Target Milestone: --- → mozilla0.9.5
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Comment 15•23 years ago
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The work in bug 99010 will definitely help since glyph fill-in will not lead to oversized glyph overlapping the text above/below. This would allow us to lower the minimum size. This is one of of my motivations for trying to help push bug 99010 to check-in.
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Comment 16•23 years ago
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The "font.size..." affects text without a CSS spec. Since our chrome (menus, etc.) have a CSS size spec they are not affected by this value. I feel that these are not the most critical values sinces we have a UI for changing them. This is something we expect users to change. The "font.min-size.variable.ja" affects all text including our chrome but we do not have any UI for changing it. Thus, I feel it is a more critical value. On RH 6.2J a "font.min-size.variable.ja" of 12 looks best and 14 is okay (some like the smaller 12 px text, others feels we will get complaints that the glyphs do not look like proper Japanese characters). On RH 7.0J a "font.min-size.variable.ja" of 12 causes the text on http://home.netscape.com/ja to be jammed together. Setting the min-size of 14 produced nice results. The "font.min-size.fixed.ja" affect email if fixed width display is choosen (Is fixed width the default setting?). I have not seen pixel jamming with a value of 10 here but we need to be careful that we do enough testing. On both RH 6.2J and 7.0J a "font.size.variable.ja" of 16 looks okay on many pages but leads to jammed chars on http://www.yahoo.co.jp. Moving up to 18 seems to spread it out enough. A value of 14 for "font.min-size.variable.ja" seems good for email. Thus my current preferences are: pref("font.name.serif.ja", "misc-fixed-jisx0208.1983-0"); pref("font.name.sans-serif.ja", "misc-fixed-jisx0208.1983-0"); pref("font.name.monospace.ja", "misc-fixed-jisx0208.1983-0"); pref("font.size.variable.ja", 18); pref("font.size.fixed.ja", 14); pref("font.scale.bitmap.min.ja", 40); pref("font.min-size.variable.ja", 14); pref("font.min-size.fixed.ja", 10);
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Comment 17•23 years ago
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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 96535 ***
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Closed: 23 years ago
Resolution: --- → DUPLICATE
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